Steam games

[Omadan]

Hi all, it's been a while and hope you're all doing great!

I was thinking of posting my game to steam, but it's 99 euros. Has anyone posted a game and is it worth it. What do you guys think?

I think the visibility there is huge, so with a little bit of luck I'll take you for a ride in my Porsche

Thanks for any feedback.

[MrTAToad]

I think you would have to intergrate the Steam system into your program - unless you are going the Greenlight route.

[jestermon]

I don't mind going online to register a new product and watch the endless unsolicited updates spread themselves like a virus. That's what I paid for, and I made the choice. But to be forced to go online (even if I do not wish to), just in order to start a game, goes against my principles of privacy. So I'd rather buy the game I like directly from the source distributer, and ban ip's of any steam based game at a - router level. Even if it's the latest and greatest game, I really don't care.
Sure - go steam. I'm only one voice in a few billion anyway.

[Moru]

Jestermon, I agree wholehartedly but we are just two or three people :-)

[erico]

99 euros for what? a permission to place one product on steam?

A bit expensive, but sure steam will spread your game quite a while.
I don´t use steam myself but have it around when people gift me through it.

I know a lot of people who solely purchases games on steam, won´t live without.

[Omadan]

99 euros will grant you permission to post games more than one if you want.

Whats the difference between the greenlight and normal thing.

[spacefractal]

They changed that to being a €90 paid service before you can submit games. that due there have been a lots of fake and piracy submitted games and they banned a lots. So that service did more popular than excepted. So its solely change to that paid service to stop those fake thing, so its quite understand why.

Howover also its see all money goes directly to a charity (Childs Play), so its was not they want to earn money here.

To the last, Greenlight is a good idea and I do like Steam. I might trying doing that when mobile versions works nicely and fixed most issues in Greedy Mouse.

[Ian Price]

I don't mind going online to register a new product and watch the endless unsolicited updates spread themselves like a virus. That's what I paid for, and I made the choice. But to be forced to go online (even if I do not wish to), just in order to start a game, goes against my principles of privacy. So I'd rather buy the game I like directly from the source distributer, and ban ip's of any steam based game at a - router level. Even if it's the latest and greatest game, I really don't care.
Sure - go steam. I'm only one voice in a few billion anyway.

You can play STEAM games without going online you know (unless the game itself requires a constant/one off internet connection).

[jestermon]

You can play STEAM games without going online you know (unless the game itself requires a constant/one off internet connection).

Sure, a large percentage of them do. The point is - that the other percentage (70%+) is the connection-hog.

Here are 2 out of 2613 points fitted into the bazooka, ready to fire.
1)  Anything bought through Steam, cannot be resold.
2)  If for some reason you lose your account or Steam stops working, you lose everything you ever bought.

Let's leave my opinions in peace. Many love Steam, I hate Steam. That's it.
So just look to the other posts, and ignore my comments.

[Ian Price]

the other percentage (70%+) is the connection-hog.

I dispute that figure. Please post your source.

Here are 2 out of 2613 points fitted into the bazooka, ready to fire.
1)  Anything bought through Steam, cannot be resold.

I don't know where you are located, but a recent European Court ruling states that electronic assets CAN be re-sold, no matter what the original license agreements state.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/07/03/eu-rules-you-can-sell-your-digital-game-licenses.aspx

2) This would be true of a number of digital products from a number of publishers, including UBISOFT and most recently Blizzard, with the whole Diablo III fiasco. It's not just a STEAM thing. Why the bias?

[jestermon]

I don't know where you are located

Exactly, and it's NOT Europe nor the USA. The issue is not open for debate. And that's my final word on this subject.
I'm only here for the code and beers. (Please read "beers" as a social metaphore for "fun")

[Ian Price]

And that's my final word on this subject.

Sorry, but you brought it up first. I just questioned your statements - and you've not answered.

So, yep. Back to coding etc.

[kanonet]

But Ian you are wrong, as far as I know. The lawyers just said that software sellers are not allowed to forbid reselling the software in there EULA. So you are allowed to resell software, if you find a technical way to do it. But they are not forced to give you a technical way... So if you have a disc and a key you may be able to resell it. But if you just have the download and/or registered it in Steam, they do not need to allow you to deregister it, so someone else can register it. I dont have Steam ( agree with the comments above, I dont install a spyware and will not buy games that needs this or online connection), but as far as I know (from my brother that have many steam games), there still is no way to deregister and sell your steam game - and there probably never will be one.
Never trust a european court (or a lawyer in general?), what they said may sound good in theory, but you can be sure that it will be bad for you in reality.

[Ian Price]

But Ian you are wrong, as far as I know.

I didn't say that there was a WAY to do it via STEAM, but the Euro ruling states that you CAN legally resell digital licenses/content. So therefore, I am not wrong.

So you are allowed to resell software, if you find a technical way to do it.

You even said it yourself.

:/

Never trust a european court (or a lawyer in general?), what they said may sound good in theory, but you can be sure that it will be bad for you in reality.

It's not about trust, it's about THE LAW. Whether you trust or agree with it is irrelevant. The law is the law. The law is an ass, but it's what we have to abide by.

[EDIT]

I dont install a spyware

Your ISP is a bigger spy than anything you'll find on STEAM. As is Google, Facebook, Twitter etc. etc. As is your insurance provider, as is you local authority. The world we live in is constantly monitored and recorded and in the worst cases (like Google, Facebook, your insurance providers etc.) your data/info is sold to ANYONE that wants it. There's no getting around it.

At least STEAM games are generally DRM free, which imposes LESS on your rights than owning the original CD/DVD of many games.

I'm not saying STEAM is perfect, but it's far from the monster you make it out to be.

[spacefractal]

Steam was actuelly bad when its started, but today its works very great, but its of course nothing and I recently did have some issue with its offline mode. Howover its was a minor, not major. Howover Games for Windows lives is pain and have not been improvement very much in the recent years.

Games on DVD can been pain too, which I saw with Batman Arkham City. For some DRM crappy disc procetiction, DVD 2 could not been read, so I could not install it (that is directly due DRM, not the disc itself). Then so I sendt it back to the store and I brought the Steam version instead which downloaded without issue (except some Games for Windows Live isusses).

So Steam is no longer that monster anymore, and its do a very great job and most players and developers today like that (include me), howover games for Windows Live is a pain, but another story. I also looking how Greenlight works and I might try that with Greedy Mouse when iOS versionen have been released. AS its now a pay service is simply to prevent overcrowl and those fake games.

PS. Today I actuelly brought most of my games on Steam (the named game got I as gift).