Hi all, it's been a while and hope you're all doing great!
I was thinking of posting my game to steam, but it's 99 euros. Has anyone posted a game and is it worth it. What do you guys think?
I think the visibility there is huge, so with a little bit of luck I'll take you for a ride in my Porsche ;)
Thanks for any feedback.
I think you would have to intergrate the Steam system into your program - unless you are going the Greenlight route.
I don't mind going online to register a new product and watch the endless unsolicited updates spread themselves like a virus. That's what I paid for, and I made the choice. But to be forced to go online (even if I do not wish to), just in order to start a game, goes against my principles of privacy. So I'd rather buy the game I like directly from the source distributer, and ban ip's of any steam based game at a - router level. Even if it's the latest and greatest game, I really don't care.
Sure - go steam. I'm only one voice in a few billion anyway.
Jestermon, I agree wholehartedly but we are just two or three people :-)
99 euros for what? a permission to place one product on steam?
A bit expensive, but sure steam will spread your game quite a while.
I don´t use steam myself but have it around when people gift me through it.
I know a lot of people who solely purchases games on steam, won´t live without.
99 euros will grant you permission to post games more than one if you want.
Whats the difference between the greenlight and normal thing.
They changed that to being a €90 paid service before you can submit games. that due there have been a lots of fake and piracy submitted games and they banned a lots. So that service did more popular than excepted. So its solely change to that paid service to stop those fake thing, so its quite understand why.
Howover also its see all money goes directly to a charity (Childs Play), so its was not they want to earn money here.
To the last, Greenlight is a good idea and I do like Steam. I might trying doing that when mobile versions works nicely and fixed most issues in Greedy Mouse.
Quote from: jestermon on 2012-Oct-05
I don't mind going online to register a new product and watch the endless unsolicited updates spread themselves like a virus. That's what I paid for, and I made the choice. But to be forced to go online (even if I do not wish to), just in order to start a game, goes against my principles of privacy. So I'd rather buy the game I like directly from the source distributer, and ban ip's of any steam based game at a - router level. Even if it's the latest and greatest game, I really don't care.
Sure - go steam. I'm only one voice in a few billion anyway.
You can play STEAM games without going online you know (unless the game itself requires a constant/one off internet connection).
Quote from: Ian Price on 2012-Oct-06
You can play STEAM games without going online you know (unless the game itself requires a constant/one off internet connection).
Sure, a large percentage of them do. The point is - that the other percentage (70%+) is the connection-hog.
Here are 2 out of 2613 points fitted into the bazooka, ready to fire.
1) Anything bought through Steam, cannot be resold.
2) If for some reason you lose your account or Steam stops working, you lose everything you ever bought.
Let's leave my opinions in peace. Many love Steam, I hate Steam. That's it.
So just look to the other posts, and ignore my comments.
Quotethe other percentage (70%+) is the connection-hog.
I dispute that figure. Please post your source.
QuoteHere are 2 out of 2613 points fitted into the bazooka, ready to fire.
1) Anything bought through Steam, cannot be resold.
I don't know where you are located, but a recent European Court ruling states that electronic assets CAN be re-sold, no matter what the original license agreements state.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/07/03/eu-rules-you-can-sell-your-digital-game-licenses.aspx
2) This would be true of a number of digital products from a number of publishers, including UBISOFT and most recently Blizzard, with the whole Diablo III fiasco. It's not just a STEAM thing. Why the bias?
QuoteI don't know where you are located
Exactly, and it's NOT Europe nor the USA. The issue is not open for debate. And that's my final word on this subject.
I'm only here for the code and beers. (Please read "beers" as a social metaphore for "fun")
QuoteAnd that's my final word on this subject.
Sorry, but you brought it up first. I just questioned your statements - and you've not answered.
So, yep. Back to coding etc.
But Ian you are wrong, as far as I know. The lawyers just said that software sellers are not allowed to forbid reselling the software in there EULA. So you are allowed to resell software, if you find a technical way to do it. But they are not forced to give you a technical way... So if you have a disc and a key you may be able to resell it. But if you just have the download and/or registered it in Steam, they do not need to allow you to deregister it, so someone else can register it. I dont have Steam ( agree with the comments above, I dont install a spyware and will not buy games that needs this or online connection), but as far as I know (from my brother that have many steam games), there still is no way to deregister and sell your steam game - and there probably never will be one.
Never trust a european court (or a lawyer in general?), what they said may sound good in theory, but you can be sure that it will be bad for you in reality.
QuoteBut Ian you are wrong, as far as I know.
I didn't say that there was a WAY to do it via STEAM, but the Euro ruling states that you CAN legally resell digital licenses/content. So therefore, I am not wrong.
QuoteSo you are allowed to resell software, if you find a technical way to do it.
You even said it yourself.
:/
QuoteNever trust a european court (or a lawyer in general?), what they said may sound good in theory, but you can be sure that it will be bad for you in reality.
It's not about trust, it's about THE LAW. Whether you trust or agree with it is irrelevant. The law is the law. The law is an ass, but it's what we have to abide by.
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QuoteI dont install a spyware
Your ISP is a bigger spy than anything you'll find on STEAM. As is Google, Facebook, Twitter etc. etc. As is your insurance provider, as is you local authority. The world we live in is constantly monitored and recorded and in the worst cases (like Google, Facebook, your insurance providers etc.) your data/info is sold to ANYONE that wants it. There's no getting around it.
At least STEAM games are generally DRM free, which imposes LESS on your rights than owning the original CD/DVD of many games.
I'm not saying STEAM is perfect, but it's far from the monster you make it out to be.
Steam was actuelly bad when its started, but today its works very great, but its of course nothing and I recently did have some issue with its offline mode. Howover its was a minor, not major. Howover Games for Windows lives is pain and have not been improvement very much in the recent years.
Games on DVD can been pain too, which I saw with Batman Arkham City. For some DRM crappy disc procetiction, DVD 2 could not been read, so I could not install it (that is directly due DRM, not the disc itself). Then so I sendt it back to the store and I brought the Steam version instead which downloaded without issue (except some Games for Windows Live isusses).
So Steam is no longer that monster anymore, and its do a very great job and most players and developers today like that (include me), howover games for Windows Live is a pain, but another story. I also looking how Greenlight works and I might try that with Greedy Mouse when iOS versionen have been released. AS its now a pay service is simply to prevent overcrowl and those fake games.
PS. Today I actuelly brought most of my games on Steam (the named game got I as gift).
Ian forgot to add one more spy, the worst of all, your own bank account ;).
Privacy is something that can only be physical nowadays(actually for quite a while I suspect), no other way.
Law is hard to discuss.
QuoteIan forgot to add one more spy, the worst of all, your own bank account ;).
I didn't forget - I had just made my point. I also didn't include other service providers (gas, water, electric), your school (where I live some schools have taken to using CCTV cameras in the loos!), your workplace etc. etc. and about a million other companies/services you never even think about...
Worrying about whether a games supply service is watching you is the least of your worries!
Omadan, which game you plan to steam?
Erico thanks for bringing this on topic, my question was just if steam was useful for us here, not the law etc etc.
I already posted it seeing that there were games there in the green light which I thought were not good. But guess what they dislike my game a lot and insulting it etc.
And there you have a game named 0 probability getting loads of positive comments. This is really weird. I know my game is not the best but comments are not just.
Anyway I won't use steam I think and carry on with iOS which at least is doing great for me.
*love* the pc market in my opinion. This is for me dunno what you guys are doing.
By the way people who have played my game really say the comments are quite mean. That's just life :)
Of course I do all on my own and ain't got dedicated pixel artists etc, I do what I can.
You can see all for yourself at steam green light. Fluffy game.
Regards
Just checked.
Yep, the comments are on the macabre side, looks like 14 years old level.
Still, 34 comments so far and I think this will be good to spread it.
Indeed that's what I thought. But did you check that '0 probability' game?
It's getting insane positive reviews and comments. That is quite shocking?
Anyway I have lost all hope with steam. You can say I don't like the game etc. But flame me? Come on grow up kid! Or go back and play world of Warcraft. Hehe, thanks erico.
Don´t worry about the flame.
This article might be interesting:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/09/27/valve-on-steam-greenlights-failings-fixing-them/
I will check out green light anytime soon, but I can´t actually steam anything now as my few games are too casual I guess.
Next project maybe.
I like steam (but never use it), I think it adds greatly to the distribution/exibition pot. :good:
Nice read Erico, thanks pal.
When you do submit a game, I hope it goes good for you mate.
Regards :P
The Greenlight project sounded like a great idea when it was first mentioned, but you're certainly not the first (and doubtlessly the last) person to receive negative feedback unnecessarily. The voting system is also very strange by all accounts, where the number of positive votes doesn't necessarily mean anything to anyone but Steam themselves. There has been some utterly bizarre games receiving high scores and brilliant games getting very few. At least Steam has (supposedly) removed the negative/down vote button now.
The problem is that Steam really is seen as the ONLY real choice for true indie games to be seen on the pc nowadays - large portals are only selling big name games or ones with professionally created media. Greenlight seemed to be the Holy grail - now it's looking more like a rusty chalice.
And what's worse is that people are having to pay $100 for the privilige of being given negative comments with little to no chance of having a game published. At least on iOS you pay your $100 and then get your game onto the AppStore (OK Apple have the final say, but revisions are usually swift and you will get your game out there).
It (Greenlight) still can work, and can get your work pushed to the masses, however it looks like there's more work to be done with the "people" side of things.
[EDIT] And sorry for the thread derailment, but that was down to the troll.
I agree with you wholeheartedly Ian.
Ye at the end of the day iOS is our big friend no matter how hard of a time we have them at times.
Thanks again all. Take care guys.
I'll probably start fluffy for iPad.
Yes its seen there is many negative comments, howover some of them seen also valid and explain why. Negatiev critic can been used as long its well writin.
I do have to say "0 probability" is well executed, dispite bad graphics, but with style, and very great music. People like the music and they vote due that.
There's a big difference to being negative and constructive criticism. The former is not generally helpful, where the latter can help to improve aspects of your app. But you know that already.
Fluffy might missing some style and someting seen to been missing. Howover here I will trying to do some constructive critic, if negative sorry, it's that not meant.
I saw a comment the game is too much generic 90'er dos shareware in either good or bad way (I fell little bit). Howover I gonna think with that comment in mind, the game could been more suited extracly that to give that 90'er style. That include resoulution. I love Chunky Pixels games and this could been a good one using that style as a least as option (and is easy to implement since I guess you allready have a 480x320 version of it. This is a idea :-).
I think about that due it's use midi music and midi music is just not good to uses today, but better 90'er style, midi music would have no problems doing that (music itself is well chosen, so its just format used).
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Very good luck with your game :). Its seen its property your best game.