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Title: Raspberry Pi
Post by: bigsofty on 2012-Jan-06
 :PThe Raspberry Pi computer is being released this month. For those who have not heard of this little computer, it's been created by a UK non-profit organisation to promote computer education and allow the hobbiest end of computing a cheap entry point to messing about with Linux. It harks back to the early days of 8 bit computers, bare bones and gettin down and dirty with the hardware. It has an embedded Linux ARM based architecture. It's all open source and as I have said, really cheap. $25 for the basic model and $34 for the network enabled version. Or buy the eBay charity beta board here for £2100, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-beta-board-10-of-a-limited-series-of-10/180786734741?ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1&ih=008&category=162&cmd=ViewItem  :S

See here...
http://www.raspberrypi.org

BTW I would love glbasic support for this device, I know it supports GCC cross compilation but I am not sure if it's feasible?
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Marmor on 2012-Jan-06
unfortunately the RPI  isnt available !  :'(
but i need one ! :D
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2012-Jan-08
it's an ARMv6. It shouldn't be too hard to port. It has a linux system, so CAANOO programs might already be working.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: bigsofty on 2012-Jan-08
Cool, another reason to pick one up!  =D I saw a demo of it running Quake 3, it seemed quite fast, GLBasic+RPi=fun, I think.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: bigsofty on 2012-Jan-08
Well as I understand, they can easily be clustered, it could be used as a render farm for example, through the network ports. There is breakout connector on top of the board, which may lead to a more efficient method of getting multiple boards working in parallel too. Everything is open source, which is great, the only API which is not exposed is the DSP but this should be ready soon.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jan-11
Apparently they are starting to be made now : http://www.raspberrypi.org/.

Their blog about it shows up a bit problem with our tax laws - read it and you'll see what I mean  :rant:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: doimus on 2012-Jan-11
Wow, $35 for a 1080p capable linux computer. Amazing.  Smartphones really did bring the prices down.

I want this little gem in a cool case, with C64, (S)NES, Amiga emulators installed, two CompetitionPro Joysticks, all connected to some old crappy CRT TV. Yum!

Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-Jan-11
The UK's tax lawas are a farce. How can Britain even hope to generate jobs in the tech market with tax laws like that? Stooooopid.

But the fact that it's starting to roll is great news :)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-Feb-07
Hi there 20th February it´s the launch of the product...

I think it´s only for UK, and after for the rest of Europe... only 10.000 Units, in the page a readed the nottice coomets... they fly from his hands...

Another think... have support for Airplay, an Apple technology, seems don´t have to much repercusion and Apple give them open doors for developong things.... you can see a video in Youtube...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Feb-08
Still not out yet :(

If people do want one, if you can PayPal me the required amount of money to cover the item and postage, I'll see if I get some relatives to "purchase" it and then forward to you.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Feb-09
I´m really tempted by it and MrTatoad´s offer... sooooo tempted :|
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: matchy on 2012-Feb-09
Naturally, I would really like one.

As I think orders may be limited to one, so how will groups and server farmers fair. Isn't this project a spawn from the $100 laptop project; anybody to have access to own a PC rather than profit?
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Feb-09
Quote from: matchy on 2012-Feb-09
Naturally, I would really like one.

As I think orders may be limited to one, so how will groups and server farmers fair. Isn't this project a spawn from the $100 laptop project; anybody to have access to own a PC rather than profit?
Whilst a similiar idea to the $100 thing, it's by a completely separate entity (a charity), and is designed to promote programming rather than just getting people in front of a computer...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: bigsofty on 2012-Feb-09
Yep, my intentions are to have a go at some fun-based ARM assembly programming, I have a few ARM devices already but nothing that has the detail of the Pies (Pies?) low-level firmware manuals/spec sheets. It really does remind me of spectrum or CPC programming in that respect. The amount of built in peripherals that are included in a SoC is more than a little scary to me at the moment though! :P
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: bigsofty on 2012-Feb-28
Wednesday 6:00AM GMT they go on sale!  :good:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Feb-28
damn, living in brasil dosen´t get me quite a chance I guess... :(
At least bananas are cheap, and a whole type of different ones (apple-banana being the best).
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: doimus on 2012-Feb-28
Quote from: erico on 2012-Feb-28
...apple-banana being the best....

WTF is apple-banana?!? :blink:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Crivens on 2012-Feb-28
QuoteWTF is apple-banana?!?
I think the idea of "apple-banana" is obvious really. The question should really be "You can get apple-bananas?????". :)

Cheers
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Feb-28
 :D :D

It is one type of banana, usually bright white-yellow on the outside, smaller size (can be really small), thinner cover.
When ready to eat, it gets black on the outside really fast.

It has a great taste, more similar to an apple then the normal banana flavour.
It´s a bit more expensive.

http://flavorsofbrazil.blogspot.com/2011/02/fruits-of-brazil-banana-varieties.html
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Crivens on 2012-Feb-28
Oooh. Nice. I suppose in the UK we would need to find specialist import shops for this sort of thing. Either that or that massive Tesco supermarket in Slough might have it! (they had the best beer in the world which no-one else does in the UK after I imported it from Cyprus for years...). 

See this is why we need more experiments with genetic alterations. Ok so we might accidentally unleash some kind of zombie apocalypse, but I would risk it all for blackberry-banana-corn :)

Cheers
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Feb-28
Quote from: Crivens on 2012-Feb-28
See this is why we need more experiments with genetic alterations. Ok so we might accidentally unleash some kind of zombie apocalypse, but I would risk it all for blackberry-banana-corn :)

hehe, it´s natural, it´s a Musa Nativa gender, it is actually native from the north of Australia.
But any bananas will grow anywhere around here.

Edit: ...but not a raspberry pi :(
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: doimus on 2012-Feb-28
Wow, Raspberry Pi is already proving its educational value. Just because of it I have now gained a level in banana understanding.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Feb-28
 :D :D

but back on subject, let us know when you guys get the raspberry, I´m interested in knowing more about it.
Thought to get one to make a media box, but I suspect it can do soo much more.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Feb-29
That went well... Not...

They decided to defer purchasing to two sites, neither of which seemed to be prepared in any regard to web traffic or even allowing an order...

Looks like we'll have to wait until batch ordering is allowed.

However, the good news is that people outside the UK will be allowed to order...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: bigsofty on 2012-Feb-29
Hehe, I kinda expected something like this would happen, 20000 units is a drop in the ocean compared to the amount of interest that has been shown for this little device. I think it will be a big deal long term.

I'll get one eventually, then the fun will begin.  :)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Feb-29
Looks like everyone will have to wait for the so-called mass production at the end of March/April...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Minion on 2012-Feb-29
OK, so I dont have a Rasp`PI yet, but I have been working on something for it ....
This is an exclusive, only 4 people know about this so shush. I only wrote it for my kids as well :)

http://youtu.be/3U49HzZcCQM

Sorry its a bit choppy, thats the recording method used. it does run a lot smoother than that. But if I can get it finished before the Pandora competition deadline I may enter it ito that (minus sound of course)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-Feb-29
Perhaps can runs a windows 8 ?¿, this version have a Arm distribution...

http://windows8beta.com/2012/02/download-windows-8-consumer-preview

Well seem you can download a version of windows 8 for testing, only for x64 architectures...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: sionco on 2012-Feb-29
Quote from: mentalthink on 2012-Feb-29
Perhaps can runs a windows 8 ?¿, this version have a Arm distribution...

http://windows8beta.com/2012/02/download-windows-8-consumer-preview

Well seem you can download a version of windows 8 for testing, onlyn  for x64 architectures...

No, it won´t work, Windows 8 will run on ARMv7 only, Raspberry Pi has an ARM11 core.

Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: fuzzy70 on 2012-Feb-29
TBH why spoil a funky piece of hardware by infecting it with a Microsoft product  :D
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Kuron on 2012-Mar-01
I am hoping this will eventually be available for ordering here in the USA once they get the issues with the supply chain ironed out.  This has the potential to be the best thing since the HYDRA.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Mar-01
No, its not powerful enough to run Windows 8
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-Mar-01
aha Ok.. thanks...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Mar-02
If you pre-order with Farnell (http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/home/homepage.jsp) you may be able to get one - when its delivered in April/May...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-Mar-02
Yes at this time have 2 shops... farnell and Sl... in Spain I´m not sure if have any in stock...

It´s corious this apparell, from another Retrocumputing forum in Spain, comment the Graphic card it´s better than iPhone, I think they say , better tha S4, and you can play over 9 hour full Hd video, and seems the chip graphic , no have heat...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Minion on 2012-Mar-02
My daughter has recently turned 7, and for her birthday we got her one of those Vtech laptops. She came home from school today moaning and complaining saying her laptop is rubish because she cant show her friends the things on the internet on her laptop and she wants a real one. If only this device had been around 2 months ago we would have got her that and she`d be laughing now (and so would we as it probably would have been cheaper). All the games on the laptop she has I could have recreated in GLB in next to no time, plus she gets to surf the net (with adult supervision of course). Now all we need is someone to come up with reasonably priced screen and were all happy bunnies.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Mar-06
The delivery date has been pushed back several weeks to the 14th of May... :(
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2012-Mar-06
It's an old story. They try to get as many pre-orders as they can get, then seek for investors.
I guess we won't see a Pi before xmas.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-Mar-06
Yep, got my confirmation of estimated delivery as 14th May 2012. Hopefully that's an accurate delivery date rather than the Panodra's "two months" debacle.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Mar-06
Yes, hopefully there won't be any other problems...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Hark0 on 2012-Mar-07
Hi!

I'm are a Farnell customer... I just receive an email about Rasperi Pi reservation yesterday... And I fill the form  ;)

...


Waiting for a next stock release  :-*

Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-Mar-07
In ZDP tell about have to wait 4 months, to the next sells of Rasperries
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Mar-09
Apparently production problems have delayed the release...  :whistle:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: bigsofty on 2012-Mar-09
Yep, the wrong network socket was put on it at the factory... doh! :noggin:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Marmor on 2012-Mar-10
pfff ... not enough preorders ??
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Mar-10
Quote from: Marmor on 2012-Mar-10
pfff ... not enough preorders ??

:D :D :D
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Wampus on 2012-Mar-10
Is there a computer called a Strawberry? We'll run out of fruit eventually. (reminds me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI))
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: okee on 2012-Mar-10
QuoteIs there a computer called a Strawberry? We'll run out of fruit eventually. (reminds me of this)

seen that before, it's a classic sketch  :good:
I'm waiting for someone to name their company banana
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Mar-12
Quote from: Wampus on 2012-Mar-10
Is there a computer called a Strawberry? We'll run out of fruit eventually. (reminds me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI))
There used to be Apricot computers (not literally, of course :)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Hark0 on 2012-Apr-27
I have received a mail from Farnell.... my Raspberry Pi are delivered at the end of June....

:P
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: fuzzy70 on 2012-Apr-27
I saw a model b version on eBay the other week, was up to £130 with loads of bids & still a few days to go. Sadly I forgot to watch it & see what it eventually went for.

Lee

Sent from my GT-I5700 using Tapatalk 2
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: quangdx on 2012-Apr-27
Quote from: fuzzy70 on 2012-Apr-27
I saw a model b version on eBay the other week, was up to £130 with loads of bids & still a few days to go. Sadly I forgot to watch it & see what it eventually went for.

Lee

Sent from my GT-I5700 using Tapatalk 2

They're selling for silly money.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/csc/i.html?rt=nc&LH_Complete=1&_nkw=raspberry+pi&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m283
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: fuzzy70 on 2012-Apr-27
Does not surprise me, normally happens when something comes out & the supplier is unable to meet the demand for whatever reason.

Lee

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Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-Apr-27
My Pi will be delivered from the end of May according to email this morning.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Apr-27
Same here - I have only heard from Farnell and not from the other one yet, so it looks like I've only got one...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-22
Just had confirmation from both RS Components and Farnell that I've got a Pi.  The former will take 3 weeks to arrive whilst the latter should be here soon :)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-May-23
what about this?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/via-technologies-outs-49-apc-android-barebones/

could it be of any use running android? (othe then the set top box stuff)

edit:typo
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-23
Looks interesting!
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-24
Got the first Pi today - unfortunately had to order a SD Card and HDMI cable, so I can't get it up and running just yet...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-May-24
oh my, "toy without batteries" case? =D
let us know how it goes.  :good:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-May-24
Mine's still in the post. Somewhere. It was dispatched a few days ago. :(
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: bigsofty on 2012-May-24
End of June for mine. The via board looks good but 720p is not as good as the Pi's 1080p though.

It will be interesting what effect this device will have on the media streaming hardware market a year from now.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-24
Hopefully it wont take too long to arrive :)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-May-24
I was surprised when I got the dispatch note actually - the last email I got (a month or so ago) stated delivery was delayed the week beginning 28th May, so it's still going to be early, even if the post is late! :P Although they did originally state 15th May as delivery date.

I won't have much time to play use mine when it does arrive, so there's no rush. I've have downloaded the Debian files and made a start at getting things ready though.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-May-24
It must be bad when all our friends get their candy but us. :D :P

Like old Jack Burton always says in a time like this
"the check is in the mail!"
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Sokurah on 2012-May-24
Quote from: erico on 2012-May-24
Like old Jack Burton always says in a time like this
"the check is in the mail!"

+1

...from when JC hadn't lost his way. ;)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-May-25
Mine arrived today, with the T-shirt. The box is a lot smaller than I was expecting (I've seen boxes on eBay that appeared much larger - see HERE (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-brand-new-/300714631787?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item4603fd226b) ). The PSU hasn't arrived yet though, so I can't even switch it on yet.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-25
Yes, I was expecting a much larger package too - when they say it's credit card size, they aren't kidding :)

My cables should be coming very soon and then I can finally get it up and running!
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-May-25
Now I don´t get it, is it shipped in parts?
Don´t you get a whole functional kit but the cables?

A linux build from GLB should run out of the box on this right?
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-May-25
You get the machine only - no PSU lead, tv/monitor connection cables, keyboard or mouse. You don't even get an OS.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-25
For some silly reason, the "full monty" if you will, is only available later...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-May-25
QuoteFor some silly reason, the "full monty" if you will, is only available later...
Or at a premium on eBay...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-28
Now got the Raspberry Pi up and running.

Originally, I tried to get the display trhough my TV (with HDMI mode), but that didn't seem to work, so I had to use my computer monitor.

In addition, I had to get a new keyboard (Logik LKBWC11) as the PC keyboard created an instant Kernel Panic (Not syncing.  Fatal exception in interrupt), but it is all working now.

It is slow, but quite usable.

Uname -a gives :

Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #90 Wed Apr 18 18:23:05 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux


Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-May-28
The PSU arrived on Saturday so I've got everything I need, except time to play with it. :(

Are you using a connected USB or BlueTooth keyboard+mouse?

What OS are you using? - I got Debian Squeeze, but there are several options.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-28
I went USB and I don't have any bluthtooth peripherals

I went for the Debian Squeeze option


Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Hark0 on 2012-May-29
Quote from: MrTAToad on 2012-May-28
I went USB and I don't have any bluthtooth peripherals

I went for the Debian Squeeze option



Oh my god.... where is my RP??????

:O ;)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-May-29
Looks good :)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-May-30
Have you run any GLB apps on the Pi yet?
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-31
Alas, need Gernot to update GLBasic for it.

I just tried the web browser and a few other things, just to make sure it all worked okay :)

And it did

It was  a shame the TV didn't detect a signal - I ended up using my computer monitor.

Title: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2012-Jun-01
Try a Pandora build. Or a Wiz build. They "might" run. Start your program with STDOUT and read the console output.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Minion on 2012-Jun-01
I has Raspberry PI :)

(http://distilleryimage10.instagram.com/d8b0eb7eac0911e1af7612313813f8e8_7.jpg)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-Jun-01
This it´s the new mode...

Now we have this (we have to wait a little)

http://liliputing.com/2011/03/toradexs-xiilun-claimes-to-be-worlds-smallest-atom-e6xx-pc.html

The diference it´s Intel Atom, and I suppose you can install win 7 and 8 whitout problems, I real a bit about R-Pi whit windows , and they say it´s a hell try to work, I´m not sure about this...

The price, I´m not sure, but i think have to be similar price... or not...

Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-01
Quote from: Minion on 2012-Jun-01
I has Raspberry PI :)

Yeah! More apple-banana users..gasp cough... I mean raspberry Pi users! :S
I´m starting to feel a little envy...

Mr.T , how is the GLB front going on it? Are you sure the settings on the TV was correct? Or the signal going out the PI to be correct? I´m afraid I can´t help much on the TV part of it without actually checking the TV model. But I would think it must work somehow. :good:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-01
I wont be able to try GLBasic until my second one has arrived as I've packed the first away.  I'll try the TV settings again, but it's not easy to get wrong :)

I was certainly expecting it work, but there must be some timings that the Pi uses which the TV doesn't...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-Jun-01
A question, about the consume, what it´s, 1W?¿...

I thinking in buy one, for the online- Scores, I think it´s more chaper have this device, and can make things whit PHP ...

I suppose the GLbasic code compiled for this Debian runs ok?¿, isn´t it?¿

PS: I leave this idea, I think make a market of games for this device, can be cool, the firft in do it, I think can win money... I don´t have any idea about contents Managers.... (if you make rich please, remenber me else I  >:D    =D)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-01
I dont know what the power consumption is exactly, but being an ARM processor, it would be very low...

I presume Gernot will choose Debian as the default OS, although I dont see why the other OS's (aside from OpenRiscOS) shouldn't work too - it'll be something I will try (if it works on Debian of course).
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-Jun-01
ok, Thanks in advance, MrTatoad...  :-*
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Minion on 2012-Jun-05
I got my first GLB app running on th PI :)

Its nothing special, but it works :)

Code (glbasic) Select
LOCAL x=0
LOCAL mx,my,b1,b2
REPEAT
PRINT x,100,100
x=x+1
FOR m=1 TO 100
DRAWRECT RND(100),RND(100),RND(200),RND(200),RGB(RND(255),RND(255),RND(255))
NEXT
SHOWSCREEN
MOUSESTATE mx,my,b1,b2
UNTIL b1=TRUE


That seems to run at a full 60fps. Changing the FOR m=1 to 1000 drops to about 8fps tho ;( But considering .... at least it works ;)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-05
 :O
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-05
Are you compiling for the Caanoo ?
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Minion on 2012-Jun-05
Quote from: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-05
Are you compiling for the Caanoo ?

yeah
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-05
 :O :O :O  :booze:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Minion on 2012-Jun-05
(http://distilleryimage0.instagram.com/a9408b9eaefa11e192e91231381b3d7a_7.jpg)

I`ll add that too because, as the saying goes ...pics or it didnt happen ... etc
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-05
Wonder if the resulting code is optimised for the ARM processor...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-Jun-05
I seriously need to set mine up.

Nice work Min. :)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2012-Jun-05
Caanoo does not use the OpenGL thing - it's a software rasterizer mode.
But at least the compiler works!!
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-05
Indeed!  Just needs  to be optimised for OpenGL...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Minion on 2012-Jun-05
Which means all the problem commans ive been testing (USEBMP, GRABSPRITE etc) which work may not after the transition to OpenGL
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2012-Jun-05
Might not. Yes. I have to see why the grabscreen does not work on some drivers. Maybe there is a way.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-Jun-05
Very nice this... I leave the nottice in other parts, I think it´s very interesting...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: matchy on 2012-Jun-05
Quote from: Minion on 2012-Jun-05
I got my first GLB app running on th PI :)

That's really nice news.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: FutureCow on 2012-Jun-06
Great stuff Minion (and Gernot!)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Hark0 on 2012-Jun-06
Quote from: matchy on 2012-Jun-05
Quote from: Minion on 2012-Jun-05
I got my first GLB app running on th PI :)

That's really nice news.

BRAVO! =D
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Minion on 2012-Jun-06
Finally got my interpreter running on the PI :)

(http://distilleryimage2.instagram.com/9ee7ca5eafe011e1b00112313800c5e4_7.jpg)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: veketor on 2012-Jun-06
Hi all
I have compiled some GLBASIC code for Canoo to run over raspberrypi (debian), In summary, all went well (2d always ok, just some errors (no light, no texture) in 3D apps) I must admit that better than expected.
The biggest problem that I have found is that is not possible to read keystrokes (logical, Canoo has no keyboard) and it is not possible to launch full-screen applications.
About sound and music: I have not tried anything yet, becouse alsa-audio support dont work very well jet .
Joystick and mouse controls works OK.

Some considerations:
- If I launch a graphic application from terminal (on the desktop) launches a series of warnings (impossible to access-write to errorlog files mainly "wrt-request: fopen("/mnt/sd/ErrorLog.txt", "ab") failed") and gp2xmenu: no process found, but the app works as expected.
- If I launch a graphic app. in raw terminal (without X) the app dont work and end with this error
"wrt-request: fopen("/mnt/sd/ErrorLog.txt", "ab") failed
(!) [  999:    0.000] --> Caught signal 11 (at 0xc, invalid address) <-- Aborted"
But is possible to lauch "console program" in raw terminal (with a lot of warnings).
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-06
Quote from: Minion on 2012-Jun-06
Finally got my interpreter running on the PI :)

go north
go computer room
turn on pi
run glbasic program on pi

congratulations! score 100/100
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-06
Quote from: veketor on 2012-Jun-06
Hi all
I have compiled some GLBASIC code for Canoo to run over raspberrypi (debian), In summary, all went well (2d always ok, just some errors (no light, no texture) in 3D apps) I must admit that better than expected.
The biggest problem that I have found is that is not possible to read keystrokes (logical, Canoo has no keyboard) and it is not possible to launch full-screen applications.
About sound and music: I have not tried anything yet, becouse alsa-audio support dont work very well jet .
Joystick and mouse controls works OK.

Some considerations:
- If I launch a graphic application from terminal (on the desktop) launches a series of warnings (impossible to access-write to errorlog files mainly "wrt-request: fopen("/mnt/sd/ErrorLog.txt", "ab") failed") and gp2xmenu: no process found, but the app works as expected.
- If I launch a graphic app. in raw terminal (without X) the app dont work and end with this error
"wrt-request: fopen("/mnt/sd/ErrorLog.txt", "ab") failed
(!) [  999:    0.000] --> Caught signal 11 (at 0xc, invalid address) <-- Aborted"
But is possible to lauch "console program" in raw terminal (with a lot of warnings).

Just some general ideas:
Did you try messing the project properties to push the resolution?
The errorlog.txt gets written on caanoo automatically. something related to permissions or paths maybe?

About the keyboard, I was wondering if glbasic would read an usb connected keyboard/extra joy on the caanoo itself, but I didn´t try.

Great it is shaping up ok :)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: veketor on 2012-Jun-06
Hi erico:
Actually is feasible to change resolution, but not to lauch at full screen without window border.
About errorlog. txt as you say,  may be a permissions error, I'll try to lauch again.
Is a pity  that we can not access the keyboard.
I´ll try to get a video and post in the forum.
GLBasic and raspberrypi look promising  =D
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Minion on 2012-Jun-06
For the mnt/sd issue, all i did was create the relevant directory and it works fine.

The keyboard does register with inkey$ but not key(), i guess thats because its a caanoo build and there was no keyboard for it.

You can change the platform.ini file and change the resolution it runs at there (ive set mine to 640x512) but cant get fullscreen yet.

But dont forget, this is compiling for the caanoo and not the PI. Ive just been fiddling with it to see if it works and give gernot feedback an problems and whatnot. We may as well wait until gernot gets around adding the proper PI compile option
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-06
There shouldn't be too much work to do really :)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: veketor on 2012-Jun-06
Example video of raspberry pi, sorry for the quality  :S

Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-06
earthquaaaake! :P

It looks great, games seem to boot quite fast too.

The 3d seems like what I got on the caanoo one time, but I can´t remember,
like it is all painted white. Would have to check this.

Thanks for posting the video.
Title: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2012-Jun-06
The Caanoo port was never thought to be the Pi port. I just wanted to know if the compiler might work.

Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: veketor on 2012-Jun-06
Without doubt the compiler works very well.
Could be possible, with the future compiler for PI, that the generated code works without X (I refer directly from the CLI) ?

Thanks for this incredible lenguaje  :nw:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-Jun-06
I continue whit my idea(I don´t know nothing about Drupal or another content manager), I think make a portal whit games for this device, can makes money... (too much R-Pi solds, and too much people whit curiosity for new thing for her devices)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-06
It is a good idea, but hard work.

Specially on the politics side of things.
To push a store internationally is a hard feat.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-Jun-06
Yes Erico, but I think bit a bit... Apple only was do it for "two" guys  =D , and the easy mode of paypal, I think it´s possible, will be a very hard work, but now I don´t have too much to do... unhmm yes BLACK SUN , BLACK SUN....  and more BLACK SUN  :sick: :good: :good: :good:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: fivesprites on 2012-Jun-07
Quote from: veketor on 2012-Jun-06
Could be possible, with the future compiler for PI, that the generated code works without X (I refer directly from the CLI) ?

I've been playing around with the Pi for a little while now and have also tried some Caanoo test programs on it - all very promising.

With regards to running outside of X Windows, Gernot would need to implement his own routine that created a display surface.  I've done the same and it works well.  Here's a decent example:

http://benosteen.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/using-opengl-es-2-0-on-the-raspberry-pi-without-x-windows/ (http://benosteen.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/using-opengl-es-2-0-on-the-raspberry-pi-without-x-windows/)

Running outside of X, in some circumstances, would be preferable due to the limited memory on the Pi (256MB).

The default memory split on the Pi is 224MB for CPU and 32MB for GPU.  You can adjust this weighting, but it's not something general users will know how to do.  Clearly, the case for running without an X server is compelling due to the memory footprint it will have.

Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-07
Since things are so close to the caanoo, don´t forget to compile and release your stuff for it too! :P :good:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-15
Got the delivery notice a short while ago saying my second one has been despatched today - hopefully it'll arrive either tomorrow or Monday.
Title: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2012-Jun-15
Awesome.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-Jun-16
Have you seen this MrT - The MagPi (http://www.themagpi.com/) ?

DL'd to read later.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: matchy on 2012-Jun-16

Quote from: Minion on 2012-Jun-06
Finally got my interpreter running on the PI :)
Revolutionary.  :nw:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-16
Quote from: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-15
Got the delivery notice a short while ago saying my second one has been despatched today - hopefully it'll arrive either tomorrow or Monday.

hmmmm.... wonder to who´s brilliants hands the first might have gone to :P

I do get a good feeling on this all :good: <3
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-16
Quote from: Ian Price on 2012-Jun-16
Have you seen this MrT - The MagPi (http://www.themagpi.com/) ?

DL'd to read later.
Nice!  Will look at that later!
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: bigsofty on 2012-Jun-16
Quote from: Ian Price on 2012-Jun-16
Have you seen this MrT - The MagPi (http://www.themagpi.com/) ?

DL'd to read later.
Ha, this is a great little magazine, if it was in paper form I'd subscribe. It reads and feels like the original 8bit home computer magazines that I was totally obsessed with when I was a kid.

Thanks the link Ian!  :good:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-16
We'll have to get GLBasic in there!

My Pi didn't come today, so hopefully it will on Monday
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-16
The magazine is really nice.
I guess reading it will help understand the basics of linux too :good:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-Jun-17
I've still not used my Pi, having had it for three weeks now, so I've decided to put it up on eBay - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221049816069

Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Hemlos on 2012-Jun-17
Looks cool.
Seems like machines are intended building robots etc, and not so much for gaming.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-17
I let the magazine people know about GLBasic...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-17
Great! It would be a nice thing to have it there! :good:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-18
They said they needed to fine someone to write a BASIC article...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-18
 :O magazine runners with no journalists inside??

Better then ever, I guess the community can write an article more sincere to the point.
If I could only write... :(
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-18
Turns out they want to cover Bywater BASIC (which is an interpretor and last updated in 2009), because there is a stable version...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-18
oh crap... :(

They will change their mind. :whip:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-Jun-19
Bywater BASIC is also free. They don't want to be seen advertising commercial software really, seeing as they are a non-profit org.

Shame :(
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-19
Its not something I've used, so unfortunately I wont be able to help them there...
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-Jun-19
HI I forgget to comment... anyone whit a Raspberry can write a "tutorial" or an article for inlcude in my Magazine... The date I think it´s after summer, but I think and I´m sure will be not after summer  :whistle:...

About the languaje, I think don´t have too much trouble, whit this mode we can tell something more about GLBaisc running in this "cacharro"...

If anyone can or want make something (about 1 or 2 pages, after I put a lot of pictures, like in Microhooby Style), please comment me...

Microhobby Stile, it´s the Style I want implement in the MAgazine... Microhobby was the better Magazine for lear about computers in Spain, tutorials about Machine Code, Basic, Review of programs... the better I look in all my life for computer, in Spaninsh.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-19
Quote from: Ian Price on 2012-Jun-19
Bywater BASIC is also free. They don't want to be seen advertising commercial software really, seeing as they are a non-profit org.

Shame :(

But, is the magazine a indie attempt or is it from the raspberry pi people?
If the later, then I could understand, but if it is the former, I see no reason.

Also you can get GLB for non-comercial without 3d and net commands right?
Woulden´t this fit the bill?
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: kanonet on 2012-Jun-19
No non commercial 2D version is free only for Windows/Linux/Mac, not for mobile devices.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Jun-19
ops. correct, just standard platforms.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-Jun-19
The Raspberry Pi IS a linux pc and not a mobile device, however (and unfortunately) the code to compile for Pi is the Canoo/Pandora code (at the moment), so it won't run for more than five minutes with the free version.

Not sure who produces the mag BTW but I suspect it actually is the Raspberry Pi Foundation, as they stated that this is what they wanted to do to get kids/schools etc. back into coding.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jun-19
I found disappointing due to the fact that they want to do an article on a language that doesn't look complete and hasn't been updated for 3 years or so...

I had never heard of it before either!
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-Jun-19
QuoteI had never heard of it before either!
Nor me.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Hark0 on 2012-Jul-04
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6At8jxz-pzE/T_RTOM4JP0I/AAAAAAAAB8w/tJGB_v2RoTg/s600/Rasp_004.jpg)

My Raspberry Pi are now in home...  =D

¿Any tutorial for GLB?

:)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-Jul-04
Compile for the Caanoo (ATM) and it's good to go apparently.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-Jul-04
@Hark0, if you want follow some spaninsh info, take a round to ZDP, Zona de Pruebas, it´s a forum de "cahcarreo", they have a trhead speaking about the RPi... seems at this moment the people don´t are very happy whit the "bicho"...

PS: If you need help for register comment me, not it´s a totally "public forum"....
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Marmor on 2012-Jul-04
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Hark0 on 2012-Jul-05
Quote from: mentalthink on 2012-Jul-04
@Hark0, if you want follow some spaninsh info, take a round to ZDP, Zona de Pruebas, it´s a forum de "cahcarreo", they have a trhead speaking about the RPi... seems at this moment the people don´t are very happy whit the "bicho"...

PS: If you need help for register comment me, not it´s a totally "public forum"....

I send a mail to admin =D
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-Jul-05
 :good:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Hatonastick on 2012-Jul-05
Marmor: The GLB IDE/compiler runs on RPi, or programs compiled for RPi (via Canoo) run on RPi?  I'm having trouble working out whats going on in your video, sorry.  :blink:

Edit:  Looking at that video yet again I'm guessing it's the latter.  I really want to get a RPi now.  :good:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Marmor on 2012-Jul-05
haha video is from Kitty  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: matchy on 2012-Jul-05
Very exciting developments.  :happy:
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Minion on 2012-Jul-05
The video is a demonstration of a GLB program compiled for the PI (instead of for the caanoo). But atm its using softer rasterization as theres a library missing from the unix dist. But we are working tirelessly around the clock 24x7 to get this to work ;)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Hatonastick on 2012-Jul-06
Very, very cool. :)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Hark0 on 2012-Jul-06
Magazines about RPi

http://www.themagpi.com/

;)
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: bigsofty on 2012-Jul-19
This is an interesting development...

Raspbian Linux now available for Raspberry Pi: Up to 40 percent faster than Debian ( http://liliputing.com/2012/07/raspbian-linux-now-available-for-raspberry-pi-up-to-40-percent-faster-than-debian.html )
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Hotshot on 2012-Aug-15
Good to hear that GLBASIC is coming to Raspberry PI because coding Python is awful due error handling :(
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: erico on 2012-Aug-15
Would our current linux distro work out of the box running this system?
Sure sounds nice!
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-Aug-16
GLB already works on the Raspberry Pi - you just have to compile for Caanoo or Pandora IIRC. Minion did a vid of GLB on Pi, so it definitely works.
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: Miroslav-Stimac on 2012-Aug-23
Hello,

Would it be easy to make GLBasic runnable on the Raspberry Pi?
I do not think only about compiling games that run on Raspberry Pi, but also to be able to run GLBasic on the Raspberry Pi and develop software by using GlBasic on the Raspberry Pi.
The Raspberry Pi is meant to be used for education, especially for kids and young people. Many kids like games and programming games is a nice start to learn programming in general. I think that GLBasic could become a wonderful programming language on the Raspberry Pi.

Currently I think that there is only Python with Pygame that is meant to develop games on the Raspberry Pi. Of course, C respectively C++ could be used, too, but that is too difficult for many people and I think that many kids would prefer a simple, yet powerful programming languages that enables them to create nice games. GLBasic may be perfect, or?
Furthermore, if Raspberry Pi becomes famous, then it may increase the popularity of GLBasic, too.
What do you think?

Best wishes,
Miroslav
Title: Re: Raspberry Pi
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Aug-23
Gernot is working on getting it fully compatible...