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Title: windows phone
Post by: pinete on 2011-Oct-28
is it possible to make windows phone 7 games with GLBasic? sorry if the question is silly :P
Title: Re: windows phone
Post by: bigtunacan on 2011-Oct-29
I'm one of the people that posted this very question previously...  The answer, unfortunately, is no.  But since someone else is posting this question again I'll take the chance to voice my opinion that this would be a huge win for GLBasic.  Right now Windows Phone 7 is still in it's infancy.  Take a look at some of the sell through rates & profit returns people are getting.  It already is giving some developers betters returns than the craptacular Android market, and there is much less competition.  It's a good environment to be in for us lone basement developers.  The first thing I plan to do when I release the game I'm working on for iPhone is to port over to Windows Phone 7.  And it is very depressing that it is going to mean a complete rewrite.

The answer I got previously was essentially, "No because Windows Phone 7 doesn't support C++".  I understand that it is a lot of effort, but compiling GLBasic down into C#.NET can be done; after all GLBasic is essentially just a Domain Specific Language anyway.

Heck; I'm a C# developer for my day job; I would go so far as to say that I would be willing to help build this support if I was able to get official support from the GLBasic team.  I mean why not; I could charge a few dollars for it; I know I'd be willing to pay extra for it if someone gave me that option.
Title: Re: windows phone
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Oct-29
it's the engine that would have to be rewritten in C#.
Since MS will not move away from C# only, WP7 will be gone in 2 years. Really, it's not worth the hassle. The App store will stay pretty empty with that attitude.
Title: Re: windows phone
Post by: bigtunacan on 2011-Oct-29
The Xbox 360 runs XNA + C#.  That is what most XBox Live Arcade download games are using; if you write a game for Windows Phone 7 then you pretty well already have a game that can be an also ran on the Xbox 360 which has a huge established user base.  Not only that, but none other than the CEO of Nvidia flat out stated that in tests they have been running with Microsoft, Windows Phone 7 apps run on Windows 8.  Microsoft is looking to gain total convergence of the desktop, tablet, phone and game console space.  It is the old Java philosophy of write once, run anywhere, the difference this time though is Microsoft is attempting to control the entire ecosystem top to bottom.  Gartners and several other major analysts have predicted that Windows Phone 7 will overtake iPhone in the next 2 years and that the real battle for domination will be between Android and Windows Phone.  Already there are more than 10,000 Windows Phone 7 apps and growing. 
Title: Re: windows phone
Post by: Hatonastick on 2011-Oct-29
Edit: Never mind.  I don't really have anything useful to say. :)
Title: Re: windows phone
Post by: pinete on 2011-Oct-29
Hi!,
thanks for the replies, much appreciated ;)
I just asked that question because I believed maybe it was quite easy, but as Gernot as pitched before, it seems a nightmare to do the job until MS do the right things and offer the appropiate support to developers, so it seems a completely reasonable approach :)

By the way, I strongly believe that WP7 will be a serious player over the next couple of years as MS is doing a great effort looking for partners and improving the OS.. will see.. as in the real world, the monetization opportunities are 90% from Apple, apart from the number of devices sold.. app monetization is domained by apple, in this aspect, Android and Windows phone are newbies, unfortunately, nothing to do with the numer of apps in their stores. Apple is the king, by now, at least.

To me, in terms of bussiness and monetizacion, it would be more important, key, really, to have the chance of compile GLB for Web, allowing people to develop embebbed apps with SQL/PHP connectivity to support users communities info (payments, game status, etc), what would bring a amazing world of new opportunities to monetize our developments.

:)

To sum up, WP7 would be great but WEB would be far better! ;)

Title: Re: windows phone
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-29
I suspect that Microsoft will not bow out quite as quickly as has been suggested. Look at them with the original XBox - a machine that nobody wanted or needed at the time where Nintendo, Sony and Sega dominated the market. M$ held their own and chucked money left right and centre, still unable to make the XBox a success. But then they released the 360 and the console world flocked to their great white behemoth. Things can change quickly. Players become has beens and unknown (in the sense of a whole new ball game) entities become champions in just a couple of years. SEGA stunned the world when they dropped console manufacturing, but they're all the more a healthier company because of it.

Who could possibly have foreseen HP losing 25% of it's value (and >60% of it's preferred customer base) in one weekend over one simple decision, six months ago? Shit happens and things change. Never write anyone off.

Tomorrow is an undiscovered country.
Title: Re: windows phone
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Oct-29
Yep and look at Nintendo, totally crashing and burning after an amazing come back a few years ago. Of course it's always a good idea to make sure you don't give people migraines with your latest tech...

Cheers
Title: Re: windows phone
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-29
Nintendo seems to be bouncing back since their massive losses. To be fair to the Big N though, there was a shed load of crap that hit the fan when the 3DS first came out together with huge competition from Apple, Android etc. The price cut for the 3DS helped tremendously, however they seriously need to get some games out for the system.

I think Nintendo will pick up again with WiiU, just not at the same rate they did with the Wii previously, unless they get some unique or killer games out for the system and quickly.
Title: Re: windows phone
Post by: Hatonastick on 2011-Oct-29
WiiU?  Is that what they are calling the majorly upgraded Wii system I've seen movies of?  Yikes!
Title: Re: windows phone
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-29
Yep WiiU. At least it looks like it performs better than it sounds.
Title: Re: windows phone
Post by: Hatonastick on 2011-Oct-30
True.  All the movies I've seen on it so far make it a potential must buy for me I think.
Title: Re: windows phone
Post by: erico on 2011-Oct-30
Agree with ian and kitty, microsoft will bow out in a while...
they will just take their time to get the eager into their systems for sure.

while most of these techs companies carry different names and showmans, IMHO they pretty much have had the same owners for quite a long while. So they pretty much create their niches and act into it.

microsoft has the power to rule the mobile phone market from day to nite, if you understand them as a single company fighting the "opponents" in a "fair" game.

tough subject.
Title: Re: windows phone
Post by: doimus on 2011-Oct-30
Well, as long as there are millions of Windows/Office licenses out there, MS can't really fail. It's like Mario&Zelda for Nintendo. :)

While current mobile Win is one big meh... let's see what Windows 8 brings to the table. Windows on ARM, x86 compatible tablets and x86 compatible smartphones all have the potential to be huuuge.

But then again, iOS/Android are huuuge right now.