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Title: GP2X - GLBasic Competition 2007/2008 Entries Showroom
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2008-Apr-05
Here they are:
http://www.glbasic.com/main.php?site=games-gp2x-compo
Voting still takes time.
Title: GP2X - GLBasic Competition 2007/2008 Entries Showroom
Post by: S.O.P.M. on 2008-Apr-05
I'm very interested about the two ones who win the F200.
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Post by: Quasist on 2008-Apr-05
Me too ;)
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Post by: Albert on 2008-Apr-06
Voting?
I can't voting, only for those, which I could try. I haven't GP2X :(
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Post by: BasicMe on 2008-Apr-06
Quote from: AlbertVoting?
I can't voting, only for those, which I could try. I haven't GP2X :(
I think Gernot meant the judges.  :)

The judges for this competition are:
    * Markus Scholz
    * Michael Mrozek
    * Gernot Frisch

(From the rules at http://www.glbasic.com/main.php?site=gp2x-compo)
Title: GP2X - GLBasic Competition 2007/2008 Entries Showroom
Post by: Albert on 2008-Apr-06
Meanwhile I figured it out.
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Post by: Quasist on 2008-Apr-06
Quote from: GernotFrischVoting still takes time.
Any info when this FUNCTION will RETURN?

PDroms.de already doing same function for a four weeks
Title: GP2X - GLBasic Competition 2007/2008 Entries Showroom
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2008-Apr-07
Oh. Is "voting" when all try to find a solution, and "judging" when only special ones do? Sorry, I'm no native speaker. Thx for clearing this to me.
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Post by: jbrodack on 2008-Apr-08
Just a notice to the maker of klaur.  The touchscreen doesn't seem to work in your game.  works in every other game.  nice entries everyone.

also chroma is a really interesting concept.
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Post by: Simon Parzer on 2008-Apr-08
QuoteJust a notice to the maker of klaur.  The touchscreen doesn't seem to work in your game.  works in every other game.  nice entries everyone.
What do you mean it doesn't work? I tested it thorougly I think. The thing is that touchscreen is used only during the minigames.
Can you maybe clarify a bit? It's actually the first time I hear of this. Anyone else has the same problem?
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Post by: Quasist on 2008-Apr-08
Quote from: Simon ParzerAnyone else has the same problem?
Yes. My F100 has no touchscreen :)
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Post by: Husten on 2008-Apr-08
my gameboy advance too ;)
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Post by: Ian Price on 2008-Apr-08
Gernot: Would it be possible to compile the games that contain their source into pc executables? Not everyone owns a GP2X or want to use GLBasic to play the games that contain the source code.
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Post by: Achim on 2008-Apr-08
Good idea :D

CYA !
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Post by: BasicMe on 2008-Apr-09
Quote from: ipriceGernot: Would it be possible to compile the games that contain their source into pc executables? Not everyone owns a GP2X or want to use GLBasic to play the games that contain the source code.
To be honest, I'd probably prefer not to have my game compiled for PC.

Being a GP2X fan, I kinda like the concept of creating games exclusively for it.  Any little bit that helps support the device, you know?
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Post by: Ian Price on 2008-Apr-09
QuoteTo be honest, I'd probably prefer not to have my game compiled for PC.
That's a shame, actually, as there are perhaps 1 or 2 (;)) people out there who would miss out on your game just because they don't own a GP2X. Even F100 users can't see the games as the original coders intended (I presume most users used mouse as their primary control method - judging by all the entries I've played).

I know all games are playable with D-Pad and buttons, but there are very obvious problems in some games, where I presume touchpad/mouse controls took priority.

PC executables could also be used to promote GLBasic a bit further afield than just GP2X users.
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Post by: BasicMe on 2008-Apr-09
Quote from: ipriceThat's a shame, actually, as there are perhaps 1 or 2 (;)) people out there who would miss out on your game just because they don't own a GP2X.
I'm sorry, and maybe Gernot will see fit to provide PC versions.  But I'd still prefer he didn't for my game.

It's too bad if people miss out.  But let's face it: if it's compiled for PC, then Mac people will miss out...and Linux people, too.  It's no different then the way PS3 owners are left out if a game is exclusive for Xbox (e.g. Halo).

Not that I'm trying to compare my tiny game with Halo!  :P  I just feel like this is a very small way I have of supporting the GP2X.
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Post by: Ian Price on 2008-Apr-09
The choice is yours, but by supporting pc too doesn't mean that you are not supporting GP2X.

There is a very big difference between supporting pc (and promoting GLBasic further) and supporting PS3 and XBox. If you are worried about the lack of support for other systems, like Mac and Linux and PPC, then why aren't you supporting those too?

It's a strange point of view, but it's your game. I was only asking.
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Post by: Kitty Hello on 2008-Apr-09
Well, the competition was sponsored by GP2X.de, too, partially. Thus, I'll have to see and ask if it's desired to have non gp2x users play the games. Usually one rule was to have the games working on an F100, too.
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Post by: Ian Price on 2008-Apr-09
It's not a biggie, I just thought it would be nice if this community at the very least would be able to play the games.

Perhaps contributers could release pc .EXEs themselves, if they wish to?
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Post by: Kitty Hello on 2008-Apr-09
Sure, why not.
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Post by: XaMMaX on 2008-Apr-09
I prefer not have my game on pc, too
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Post by: Quasist on 2008-Apr-09
I think if wanted a version for non-gp2x users then has released the sources to his/her game. Sources helps to dive deeper in the world of GlBasic :D I mean compile for PC by your own PC
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Post by: BasicMe on 2008-Apr-09
Quote from: ipriceThe choice is yours, but by supporting pc too doesn't mean that you are not supporting GP2X.

There is a very big difference between supporting pc (and promoting GLBasic further) and supporting PS3 and XBox. If you are worried about the lack of support for other systems, like Mac and Linux and PPC, then why aren't you supporting those too?

It's a strange point of view, but it's your game. I was only asking.
You misunderstand me, I'm certainly not worried about lack of support for Mac & Linux!  That was an example which I had hoped would explain my perspective.  To me, this is a no-brainer point of view, not strange at all.

However, I understand where you're coming from too, iprice.  We've all been curious about the other entrants' games.

So...I wouldn't be against compiling a demo version for the PC.  That would let anyone try it who wished to do so, while keeping the full version (and therefore "extra value") for the GP2X only.  I would imagine GP2X.de wouldn't have a problem with that.  What do you think?
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Post by: Ian Price on 2008-Apr-09
I'm fortunate in that I do have a GP2X (F100), but some of the games are difficult to play with it.

There are several games that show real promise, but playing them is hard due to control problems. LogoBall, unfortunately is one such game marred by the controls - this could be an excellent game, but is incredibly fiddly on GP2X without touchscreen. I would love to play this game with the mouse.

Another game that is fiddly is the excellent Chroma - the F100 control scheme does work, but not well enough for me to play it for more than a few minutes, as I just run out of time and die. I'm sure that this game would be incredible fun and very addictive with touchscreen or mouse, but sadly I'm not able to play it with either. :(

Some games also suffer from other problems on GP2X - slowdown, volume troubles, flickering etc. etc.

And Quasist, like me you did include the source, which is incredibly generous of you and it's a good game to boot - and it's not restricted by lack of touchscreen, either.

Of course I wasn't stating that people should include the source code, but that I would love to play the games in a similar fashion to that in which they were intended.
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Post by: BasicMe on 2008-Apr-09
Ha! It's funny how we approached this contest so completely opposite.

In the instructions, #4 definitely spoke to me: "The game must be controllable with the cursor keys and the 10 buttons of the GP2X. However, it must feature touchscreen input as well to show how the pen can improve playabillity."

My assumption was that this rule existed, so that people would be encouraged to upgrade to the newest version of GP2X.  So I designed a game that, while playable with buttons, would hopefully have that improved playability with a touchscreen.

Anyhoo...my offer still stands of creating a demo version, if anyone wishes.
Title: GP2X - GLBasic Competition 2007/2008 Entries Showroom
Post by: Ian Price on 2008-Apr-09
I read the rules as the game must be properly PLAYABLE on a F100, but you must ADD support for the touchscreen which improves the playability of the game in some way.
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Post by: AndyH on 2008-Apr-09
It would be cool to be able to play all the games, but at the moment I haven't got a GP2X to do that yet.  I fully understand if you do not want to though and that's your right :)

I'm planning to release Ms Mouth Trap for as many platforms as I can compile to as soon as I add a few extra features.  I'm keeping the splash screen in of course which advertises both GLB and the GP2X so hopefully new people will get to know about these wonderful products.

I kind of understood that rule as both Ian and BasicMe have interpreted it, that it must be playable on the F100 (ie: nothing restricted) but that where mouse/pen input was available to use it to enhance the game in some way/ways.  This must surely add encouragement to existing F100's users a reason they might want to consider upgrading :)  Hopefully I've achieved that in my game - everything is accessible on the F100, even the level editor, it's just easier to point and click in the editor to design the levels than to 'tab' through the buttons.  You can even choose to play the game itself with just the pen/mouse, as well as the D-PAD / Keys / Digital/Analogue joysticks dependant upon what's available on each platform .
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Post by: BasicMe on 2008-Apr-09
Quote from: ipriceI read the rules as the game must be properly PLAYABLE on a F100, but you must ADD support for the touchscreen which improves the playability of the game in some way.
Fair enough.  I wasn't trying to suggest that your game doesn't fit that rule.  Rather, I simply felt the need to defend my own game (Logoball), since you were implying that better control via touchscreen was a negative, while I saw it as a positive!

As it so happens, at one point I was developing a first-person-perspective maze game for the contest, creating my own pseudo-3D engine (using only the excellent POLYVECTOR command, no 3D commands)!  However, I ultimately switched to Logoball for the contest, specifically because the 3D game worked perfectly fine with the button controls...touchscreen added nothing to the experience.

Did I make the wrong decision?  Possibly.  I guess I'll know shortly.  In any case, I'm getting the impression that you might be getting annoyed with me, so I'll respectfully leave it at this.  Whatever the judges decide, a lot of good solid games were created, which will only benefit both the GP2X and GLBasic communities!
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Post by: Ian Price on 2008-Apr-09
Quoteyou were implying that better control via touchscreen was a negative, while I saw it as a positive!
No, that's not what I was implying at all, quite the opposite!  I meant that as the keyboard controls are poorly implemented on the GP2X (sorry, but in my opinion they are), I would like to be able to play it with mouse OR touchscreen, but as I haven't got a touchscreen and I have got a mouse (for my pc), that was the only way I could play it as it was intended (if a pc version existed). So therefore I was also being positive about the touchscreen/mouse.

I can see what a good game is in there, struggling to get out on the F100. It is playable, but very fiddly. I'm sure that it's much better on F200. :)

As for my game, I designed it for mouse/touchscreen first and foremost too - however, I also implemented a control scheme that would actually make my game playable on F100 as well (in fact I gave an option to change the way it is played with the controls). I can only play my game with D-Pad and buttons, so I had to make it properly playable for me.

I personally would have rathered gone for just a touchscreen control system, but Gernot wanted to satisfy all GP2X users, not just those looking to upgrade or to buy an F200.

I'm not getting annoyed at all, far from it. I enjoy a good debate. You've just missed my message - that it's a crying shame that as many people can't play these games as possible, because they don't have access to GP2X, when they could so easily be played on pc (and other systems).

We've all put lots of work into these and only a small minority of people will ever get to play them. I didn't even request pc versions for my benefit - I can play the games, I own a GP2X, but millions don't.

BTW I would have liked to have seen your 3D maze game - is it still a possibility? :)
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Post by: PeeJay on 2008-Apr-09
Well, of course, I have done DangerMouse on as many platforms as I could muster, but I certainly don't think it detracts from the desirability of the Gp2X - the PC and GP2X markets are totally different. Indeed, if anything, I suspect releasing a game on PC and GP2X is more likely to benefit the GP2X support rather than hinder it, using the principle "well, if you think it's good on your PC, imagine being able to carry it around in your pocket!"
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Post by: Ian Price on 2008-Apr-09
Quote from: PeeJayWell, of course, I have done DangerMouse on as many platforms as I could muster, but I certainly don't think it detracts from the desirability of the Gp2X - the PC and GP2X markets are totally different. Indeed, if anything, I suspect releasing a game on PC and GP2X is more likely to benefit the GP2X support rather than hinder it, using the principle "well, if you think it's good on your PC, imagine being able to carry it around in your pocket!"
Indeed :)
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Post by: BasicMe on 2008-Apr-09
Ah, cool.  I always get a bit stressed if I think I'm offending people.  Never want to start an online feud!  ;)

You raise a good point too, PeeJay.  I reckon we can agree to disagree on the benefits of GP2X-only vs. wide platform distribution, since they both have pluses IMO.  I'll most likely change my mind down the road anyway (I'm generally a flip-flopper).

I most definitely plan to finish the maze game!  I've put too much work into it not to!  :P  But at this point, it's one of three additional WIP games I've got going, so it probably won't be the next one I finish.  I've got another puzzle-type game almost completed, so I'm planning to get that one out the door first.
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Post by: PeeJay on 2008-Apr-09
Quote from: BasicMeNever want to start an online feud!  ;)
Ooooh, shame - online Feud would be one hell of a remake opportunity :D

Quote from: BasicMeYou raise a good point too, PeeJay.  I reckon we can agree to disagree on the benefits of GP2X-only vs. wide platform distribution, since they both have pluses IMO.  I'll most likely change my mind down the road anyway (I'm generally a flip-flopper).
Cool - I'm glad you can see both sides of the coin. After all, just because you've got a clock on your mantelpiece, it doesn't stop you having a wristwatch ......
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Post by: Quasist on 2008-Apr-09
Quote from: PeeJayAfter all, just because you've got a clock on your mantelpiece, it doesn't stop you having a wristwatch ......
if they do not use same equipment slot or phen-shui about bad karma
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Post by: jbrodack on 2008-Apr-10
ASIGILA part 1: ButterFly  seems to detect whether you have a f100 or f200.  I'd like the option to select which controls you want, as the touchscreen controls, though definitely different for this type of game, are harder than dpad controls.
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Post by: XaMMaX on 2008-Apr-10
2jbrodack, right now i rewrite game from beggining so ofcource will include it =) New version will be a lot of better, but not really soon, cuz i redraw a lot
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Post by: Albert on 2008-Apr-10
My homepage was visited from http://www.gp32spain.com/. Check this out, all of our entries are here!
Cool
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Post by: Quasist on 2008-Apr-11
I would post all entries to gp2x.ru, but russian community is not liking puzzle games at all :-/
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Post by: Ian Price on 2008-Apr-11
But a Russian invented the most popular game (and a puzzle game at that) ever - Tetris!
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Post by: Quasist on 2008-Apr-11
For intense gameplay I believe Tetris is an action game :)
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Post by: Ian Price on 2008-Apr-11
Quote from: QuasistFor intense gameplay I believe Tetris is an action game :)
That's not what Wiki says - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris

QuoteTetris (Russian: Тетрис) is a falling-blocks puzzle video game, released on a vast spectrum of platforms.
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Post by: Quasist on 2008-Apr-12
If you repeat along the crowd, you cannot really develop something new.
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Post by: Ian Price on 2008-Apr-12
Eh?