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Title: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Millerszone on 2011-Aug-18
http://mashable.com/2011/08/18/hp-shutting-down-webos/
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-18
Ouch!
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-18
It looks like it might just be the hardware side of things. The software may live on under license, but it's not looking good. The whole webOS community is having a fit.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: MrTAToad on 2011-Aug-19
Looks like I wont need to save up for a Tablet then  :'(
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-19
6 weeks after releasing the TP? Arse...

Hopefully it keeps the app side of things going for a while. Still an awesome and easy device to test on, plus get some apps out and a smaller marketplace may work out ok. My free app at least was downloaded about 5 times more than iphone in about a quarter of the time.

Still mega-arse...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Aug-19
As crows, we should be alert for TouchPad discounts... they are nic devices...  >:D
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Sokurah on 2011-Aug-19
Too bad. I don't have a WebOS device, but from what I've seen it looks really good.

I'd really like a Touchpad, but have I have an iPad 2 so I wouldn't want to pay full price for it, but if I'm able to somehow get a good discount I'd love to get one to play with. ;)
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: MrTAToad on 2011-Aug-19
I think the main problem is that HP were expecting much better reviews of the Tablet - perhaps they rushed it out too quickly...
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-19
 :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
Suckers.....
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Millerszone on 2011-Aug-19
I really liked the TouchPad, I think it was the closest to the iPad. Multitasking is a lot better with webOS.
UI was fast and Flash videos were very smooth.

I'll have to ship the TouchPad back to HP Sept. 30th unless they give me a deal.  :)
Could be a nice collector item.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-19
palm revolves around three times in the grave
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: spacefractal on 2011-Aug-19
look lits its them complete own fault. People just wait due those a lots of price reduce, its clear their metode to marketing it have been quite bad...... and then they stop just after 6 weeks can been bad too, howover they do countinue to support the software itself.

only sold 10% and its not even returned device is not vert much.

PS. Yes the screen of WebOs look quite nice.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-19
It's 6 weeks for the TouchPad, but a day for Pre3!! They killed it before it was even properly birthed.

I suspect that the new management structure at HP knew about this and wanted to do this prior to the TP launching, hence the less than stellar marketing of the system and the lack of development time for apps etc. This was on the cards from the new King's reign...

HP say they will continue to support the OS, but what they mean is that only if a licensee/buyer becomes available soon. Just wait and see - if one doesn't webOS will be buried (and all support terminated) within 6 months. The OS has failed twice now - under Palm and now under HP. Third times the charm? I don't think so, lovely as it may be. :(
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Aug-19
No, no, NOOOOOOOOOO!

How can that be!? It's really the best OS for any mobile device that I know. The hardware of the Pre2 is superb. I have a Pixi, which also feels really good. The pad looks ace.

I think the problem is, that only geeks knew of it. I didn't see a WebOS device in any of the big electronic markets here,  did anyone in UK/USA? The "pawns" just buy what they know from their friends, so iOS or Android. If there were a device to play with in MediaMakret, I think many would have chosen the WebOS tablet over the iPad (Android no competitor at all), because the OS just feels right.

Darn, I had such great hope in this OS.

 :'(

I think after this news, noone is willing to get a device anyway anymore. Even if there were a great hype, people would be frightened to buy something soon-to-be-unsupported.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Aug-19
It said: "In addition, HP reported that it plans to announce that it will
 discontinue operations for webOS devices, specifically the TouchPad
 and webOS phones. HP will continue to explore options to optimize the
 value of webOS software going forward."

Maybe they sell WebOS to other mobile phone manufacturers? That would be cool then.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Aug-19
An OS called WebOS... in spanish it is pronounced EXACTLY the same as "eggs"/"balls"  :S
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-19
Yep. Sucks. Still it shouldn't surprise me as my wife worked for them for 16 years before they sacked the whole 100+ IT department over a year. Hmm that was originally another company they took over too... My wife was in the first batch and was told she was chosen first as she was young enough to start all over again. Which in this current market means finding something not really appropriate for half the salary.

C**ts...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Aug-19
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-hps-webos-tablet-foxhole-appliance.html
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: erico on 2011-Aug-19
really sad news.

Here in brasil hp dominates printer market (epson comes right around and then lexmark) but I never ever saw their phone. I don´t know a single person who owns it. Sure brasil is not suuuuch an important market afterall but.. well...
 
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: blackway on 2011-Aug-19
No, no, NOOOOOOOOOO!

How can that be!? It's really the best OS for any mobile device that I know. The hardware of the Pre2 is superb. I have a Pixi, which also feels really good. The pad looks ace.

I think the problem is, that only geeks knew of it. I didn't see a WebOS device in any of the big electronic markets here,  did anyone in UK/USA? The "pawns" just buy what they know from their friends, so iOS or Android. If there were a device to play with in MediaMakret, I think many would have chosen the WebOS tablet over the iPad (Android no competitor at all), because the OS just feels right.

Darn, I had such great hope in this OS.

 :'(

I think after this news, noone is willing to get a device anyway anymore. Even if there were a great hype, people would be frightened to buy something soon-to-be-unsupported.

Uh....
Is It late for Roll'n'Fall port to WebOs?
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: MrTAToad on 2011-Aug-19
It appears that updates aren't being accepted - so has anyone tried new submissions to the Catalogue store ?
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-19
Really? Total shambles honestly. If they are still supporting WebOS (ie. not doing the hardware) then what is the point of stopping updates? Almost a step by step guide how to completely and utterly destroy something. It's almost exactly the type of thing I would do if I was a complete arse billionaire who was annoyed by something or other and just blew money to piss people off. Mwahahaha etc... Grrr...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-19
It appears that updates aren't being accepted - so has anyone tried new submissions to the Catalogue store ?

Apparently they are going through now. Seems there might be trouble at t'mill. :S :P
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: MrTAToad on 2011-Aug-19
Yes, just read that.  I've submitted what will probably be my last application for the Pre.

Spots : TNG wasn't quite finished, but as I got bored with it and with HP's sudden announcement, I thought I might as well submit it.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-19
I've got a couple of apps near done (one for Veer, one for Pixi - both 90% complete) and was working on two other games that would be perfect for Pre, but would be little fish in a big ocean full of sharks on other platforms. Hopefully I'll have a bit of time to complete and release them all. Who knows.

I want to continue with Pre stuff, but I was hoping to do something for the TouchPad too. The TP game I was thinking of will likely end up on iPad now though. Don't know what I'm doing for the time being, but I'm not dropping webOS development just yet. if I could get a TP for £100 I'd happily support it.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: spacefractal on 2011-Aug-19
Luckely my next game is supporting any resoulutions and size, so even TouchPad is discounted, I can create it for webos very fast (and no I dont use any collosions commands, which is not needed for this kind of game I create). So the game was been very WebOS, but I might do that anyway of course (even I do not have such of table at all).

Its sad they do its just few weeks and not even giving it a change, the many pricedrops which some have seen, might have backfired.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-20
Just got this email from HP -
Quote
Dear webOS developer:

We have opened the next chapter for webOS, and we understand that you must have many questions. Yesterday we announced that we will focus on the future of webOS as a software platform but we will no longer be producing webOS devices. While this was a difficult decision, it's one that will strengthen our ability to focus on further innovating with webOS as we forge our path forward. Throughout this journey, our developers will continue to be a vital part of the future of webOS.

We will continue to support, innovate and develop the webOS App Catalog. Our intent is to enhance our merchandising and presentation of your great products and to continue to build our webOS app ecosystem.

As many of you are aware, we are currently scheduled to hold many developer events around the world. We are planning to continue with these events, however, due to the recent announcements; the nature of them will change. These updates will be posted on our events registration site this coming week. We are eager to present to you the updated strategy for webOS and to hear your feedback.

Lastly, I wish to express our sincere appreciation for your ongoing support for webOS and the many teams responsible for it here at HP. This is a particularly dynamic time in the mobile industry and sometimes tough decisions need to be made about not only what to do, but also what not to do. This has been one of those times. Together with our great webOS developer community, we are confident that we will meet the challenges ahead and build momentum for optimal success.

We will be communicating with you frequently over the next few weeks and we look forward to hearing from you throughout this process.

Thanks for your support

Richard Kerris
VP webOS Developer Relations
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: hardyx on 2011-Aug-20
Bad movement from HP and bad news for the consumers and developers. They must be announced this when they have a licenced hardware manufacturer. Google licences Android too, but they have a lot of money to promote it. I love Palm Pre, is like the GP2X in mobile and more powerful.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: hardyx on 2011-Aug-20
As crows, we should be alert for TouchPad discounts... they are nic devices...  >:D
WalMart is selling TP in USA for 99$, a lot of people was buying the last units.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-FB355UA-ABA/16662273
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-20
i need this one for 99 $  please send me !!!
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-20
Today in the Media Market  at 10.30 in the morning .
A HP Support Man see me playing with the webos touchpad from HP.
Ah ! this is a nice maschine  cheaper as an ipad and can really do Multitasking.
He shows me some demos on the pad and blah blah blah blub.
After a while iam asking about the Future for this pad , also about the webos and HP Dilemma.
I say this is the second Time what HP kik buyers in the Ar..., and iam not thrusted HP anymoore.
He says Webos will be continued but not the Hardware.i say  webos will be licensed , Maybe !
do you really think samsung or htc will licensed webos and support the old devices ? its a shame!
its a pricedrop possible ?  NO !!! do you mean really someone will it buy for 399 Euro ?
silence ...

Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Aug-20
$99 - out of stock - NOOOOOOO!!!!
If anyone sees a WebOS-Pad for $100 or EUR 100 - BUY IT and send it to me. I'll pay whatever is takes additionally. If I might get 3 instead of 1, no worries - I'll make them compo prices.

Send me a PM and I'll send you my phone number so you can call me.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: trucidare on 2011-Aug-20
i want one too - started to develop for webos tonight
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-20
ÄHEM   : IAM THE FIRST 
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Aug-20
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USAAAAA:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0366317 (http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0366317)
add to cart, then see - cart says $149.

call me, really: +49 171 12 "number one" 5 eightyone (We're timezone GMT+1)
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-20
KITT ICH FAHR IN MEDIAMARKT  EVENTUELL KLAPPTS

POWERASM1 AT WEB.DE
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: trucidare on 2011-Aug-20
WENNS KLAPPT BRING MIR EINS MIT!!!
Kitty try to get amount of tablets from hp directly for this price.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Aug-20
HP: $99 -> all Palm devices out of stock. Pre2 -> $49 - out of stock. I'd have bought the whole stock for that price.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-20
MAXIMUM ?  145 OK ??
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: trucidare on 2011-Aug-20
damn i want a device :( could anyone sell one? touchpad or pre 2
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-20
BIN WEG  KITTY RUF AN ODER MAIL
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: erico on 2011-Aug-20
me tooo! pretty please, no hp pads ou phone in brazil, bunf! :'(

their hard may die, but people won´t change overnite, I still have some faith on their store and believe a buck can be made to as far as 1 year or a little more like 2
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-20
NOTHING..... nada.......

ich habe mich sehr lange mit einem hp trainee unterhalten .keine mails über preissenkungen.
monatg gug ich noch mal.
als er den preis von 99 dollar sah dachte ich er stirbt...
die haben echt nur 5 geraete vor ort .
gugt einfach bei ebay canada   für unter 200 euro
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-20
If I see any for that price I'll get a couple for people here. In the mean time, I want one too! :)
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Sokurah on 2011-Aug-21
Yeah, I'd like one too. I would gladly pay $150 for it.
I tried the Canadian link and it said there was 3 in stock. Moments later - like a minute or so -  after considering if I could buy it there and have it sent to Denmark, they were all gone. Bummer.
I hope some other options come to light.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Millerszone on 2011-Aug-21
I've been searching here in the states, but no luck. Sold out everywhere. I'm going to offer $99 for my loaner.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Aug-21
OK, I got 3 for $ 180 on eBay. Not the best deal but 1/2 price anyway.
So, this looks like time for another compo.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: trucidare on 2011-Aug-21
Die You bought onefor mehr too? If it be true let me know where to pay.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-21
OK, I got 3 for $ 180 on eBay. Not the best deal but 1/2 price anyway.
So, this looks like time for another compo.

COOL =D
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-21
wow great idea !
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: bigsofty on 2011-Aug-21
Bah, can't see it anywhere on sale... Ebayers are well over the £200 mark.  :'(
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Hatonastick on 2011-Aug-21
Well that really sucks...  I have a Symbian OS smart phone, not the greatest OS in the world but it has done what I'd needed from it, and I was hoping to upgrade to WebOS eventually as I really don't like Android or iOS.  Problem is that those are likely to become pretty much the only mainstream OS's in the market now...  Well, I guess you can include the next Microsoft one as I believe that is what Nokia is switching to from Symbian, but that really doesn't interest me either. :)
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Millerszone on 2011-Aug-21
You could always install Android on the TouchPad(TouchDroid):
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3327&p=67699
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-21
Not just that but $99 for a tablet of that quality would be awesome. My pre2 is a brilliant test device for GLB off a windows PC, so I assume the TP would be too.

Unfortunately even though Amazon has drastically dropped the price of the TP it is still £279. What's that about 4 times the price after conversion? Rip off Britain again...  Then again I've heard of HP refunding the difference so lots of people are buying full price then getting the discount. Bit of a gamble though esp if they reject it as you bought after the news (hard to prove you knew about it though)

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Aug-21
Shit, I just bid for a TouchPad with 300€ in delivery costs... eBay should not let this "trick" to be done.

I asked the seller to cancel my bid...
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Aug-22
mine was on eBay (USA) and has about 70$ shipping fees. It's reduced a bit for 3 pads.
You can "suggest a price" and 180 was accepted instantly. I have the slight feeling 120 should have been my first guess.
They have hundrets:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/150651806760 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/150651806760)
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-22
Err Gernot - http://h20386.www2.hp.com/GermanyStore/Promotion.mvc/GetPromotionCategory?PromotionCategoryId=RC148&jumpid=re_r11638_de/de/hho/psg/sezame_hpstore-ot-li-pu_chev/hpstrwebos

website down at the moment, but it's confirmed that Germany has cut TP to 99Euros.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Aug-22
Ah, I had 1 in my cart when the site crashed. I hope it's flagged as "bought" so I can really get it. 99 EUR - amazing.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: MrTAToad on 2011-Aug-22
The UK store states the item can't be found  >:D
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-22
Yeah I know. It's rubbish in the UK. The Amazon price has been going up since the weekend! Was down to £279, then £300, and now more like £315. Obviously no-one has got the message to get rid of them quick.

Then again if you have the balls then buy for £300 and email HP like mad about getting the difference paid back to you ($99 difference). Should work...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-22
Apparently UK will be £89 and £115 for 16Gb and 32GB respectively.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-22
Ooh, really? Where did you hear that? And where and when will it be selling at that price?

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Aug-22
The HP site is down. There's such a run on these devices now. Every single procuced item will be sold within next week.
Now guess  - what if that was "only" a marketing strategy to push the device into the market?
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: MrTAToad on 2011-Aug-22
Would be nice - but I doubt it!
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: okee on 2011-Aug-22
Quote
Apparently UK will be £89 and £115 for 16Gb and 32GB respectively.

I found this from a PC World / Currys rep in Ireland
Probably the same for the UK


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056319116&page=10
Quote
Here's the update. The good news is that we will be pricing the product at € 99.99 from tomorrow morning. The bad news is that there is not a lot of product available, neither in our stores nor in the central warehouse. Store stock in general is 5 to 6 units. And they're won't be more coming in.

I'll post later the stores in which stock is available. Not all stores were ranged for the Touch Pad so no point in sending you somewhere where there is no product.

I won't do a reservation list as there will be too many disapponited people. I'm also advising stores not to do a reservation list either for only a couple of units. That's just going to create a lot of unnecessaty stress for people.

So the drill is that we'll have the product for sale first thing in the morning at € 99.99 for the first people in the queue outside the relevant stores. They open at 10.00 and I'll post which stores later.


Stocks are limited though
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Aug-22
German HP site says: "sold out". Though my (always breaking) session still has one in the cart. Oh pleaaaase.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: erico on 2011-Aug-22
What if that was "only" a marketing strategy to push the device into the market?

Oh mine, within my sam-peckinpah-conspirary mind I did not think of that. It would be unique...but unlikely.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-22
Currys and PCWorld have confirmed the prices I quoted earlier £89 and £115. Interestingly there is now a 64GB white TP available as well - no prices announced so far.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-22
PCWorld? Do you mean actually going to their store or actually online (special discount code or something?)? There is one near here which is a massive pain in rush hour but worth it for a bargain I guess. Much easier online obviously...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-22
Whichever method you choose is likely to cause frustration and disappointment. It's your choice, but I'll be trying BOTH!! :P
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-22
i need onei f anyone can buy please remember me ! no luck with the stores here
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-22
Strange, getting a bit like Ebay bidding now. Couldn't give a monkeys a week ago (waiting for rumoured Retina iPads) and now it's like rabid mad rush to get one...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: trucidare on 2011-Aug-22
HP Pre3: 79 Euro
HP Veer: 59 Euro
HP Touchpad mit 16 GByte: 99 Euro
HP Touchpad mit 32 GByte: 129 Euro
HP Touchpad mit 64 GByte: 179 Euro
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-22
welche seite hiro überall down !!!
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: trucidare on 2011-Aug-22
Hab ich nur gelesen gerade, versuch immernoch bei HP draufzukommen
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: MrTAToad on 2011-Aug-22
Its now available at PC World : http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/touchpad-tablet-pc-16gb-10834901-pdt.html

Of all the times for it to be nice and cheap, and no spare money  :zzz:
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-22
Bugger. I had one all sorted out at Currys. Was putting in card details for delivery and it came up with SQL stock error. Then would not allow delivery. Can't find any stock in local shops :( Sh*te...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: MrTAToad on 2011-Aug-22
Probably getting hold of one is harder that making use of BlitzMax :)
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-22
ok iam on the hp store but cant buy because an error !
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-22
fishy or ian  is it possible for you to buy us 3 32 gb touchpad ?
and how we can pay you ?
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: MrTAToad on 2011-Aug-22
Unfortunately the local PC World doesn't have any in stock :(
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-22
 >:D
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-22
I've not even been able to buy one TP, let alone more. I'm still trying though. :(
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: okee on 2011-Aug-22
I'd say the only chance now is to watch the websites that have them listed
at standard price and wait for them to be discounted, i read somewhere that
HP instructed stores to sell them at the reduced price,
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: LineOf7s on 2011-Aug-23
At the risk of sounding spiteful, I was in a (proper bricks-and-mortar) store yesterday where they were selling them out for $AU98 (€71 ₤61) and I was in a position to grab one.  Thankfully - given that before the price drop I had no interest in it whatsoever, and I really had no actual use for one - I talked myself out of it... but it was close.  Soooo close...

If only I had the wherewithal I would have been happy to buy a whole heap for everybody and sell them on... with a *cough* nominal markup.   :whistle:
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: trucidare on 2011-Aug-23
Sell it to me :D
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it :D
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Aug-23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUdNO8EOn1M
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: erico on 2011-Aug-23
hehe  :D
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Aug-23
Sell it to me :D
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it :D
Sjhipping fee AUS -> Germany is totally insane. I send 100g chocolate once for... half a fortune.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: bigsofty on 2011-Aug-23
Anyone manages to snag one in the UK today, drop a quick line on this thread, I'll do the same if I see it in stock anywhere.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
Fair enough. I also sent an email to the HP discount program link you get from the HP developer site asking if they would sell me one directly for the firesale price. Never know.

Also just read on the gadget blogs that HP were really near releasing (debugging stage) a 7" version. The Touchpad Go. Maybe they have a load of that stock just sitting there? Would be nice if they trickled through on the development site.

Cheers

Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-23
Looks like MillersZone got lucky -
Quote
A lot of you have been asking me about what's happening with the Developer Discount and Loaner programs. Here are some updates on this. It probably won't answer all questions, but here's what we've gotten taken care of so far.

If you have bought a device through the discount program and want to return it for a refund, contact the vendor you bought it through. They will process the refund for you. If you want to keep the device, call them, and they will process a partial refund to bring the price you paid to the fire sale price. This is true both in US and Europe.

If you have a loaner, you can keep it to the end of the original agreement. If you choose to keep it at the end of the loaner program, you'll be charged the fire sale price, not the original price.

If you have a coupon for the discount, it will be honored for a short period of time at the fire sale price. We are not discounting below that price (sorry), and these coupons can only be honored while supplies last.

The Developer Discount and Loaner programs are on hold now, so no new coupons will be sent out for the time being and we won't be issuing new loaners until we get this completely sorted out. We do expect the loaner program to be reinstated; we don't know about the discount program at this time.

I'll be trying to follow up to people who've sent email to confirm this as I can, but for some odd reason, I have a lot of email to plow through... Apologies in advance for the delays.



Loaner for discount price. Jammy bugger.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: bigsofty on 2011-Aug-23
Cool, best of luck to him.

If you buy it at full price from a retailer, will HP refund the difference?
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
Ah bums. That means they will ignore my discount email. Sigh. Considering the UK HP site doesn't even allow you to buy directly from them then it looks like will have to be (very) lucky with the online stores.

Cross fingers that they keep a lot of stock back to sell directly to developers. Don't hold your breath though...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
Quote
If you buy it at full price from a retailer, will HP refund the difference?
From what I read it depends on the retailer. As I said earlier if you have the balls for it then go for it.

Interestingly Amazon has been going up and down for days. It's still way above £250, but has gone up and down with upto £100 difference.

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-23
I might have just purchased two TPs. I've not had confirmation yet though.

I (hopefully) got a 32GB and a 16GB from Staples. I'll keep peeps posted.

Fingers and toes crossed.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
Heheh, Staples now says server is too busy...

Also Amazon shows as £250 now (was about £100 more a few minutes ago)

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-23
It took forever to get through the whole process. I had a couple of fails as well. The prices are actually higher at Staples too (£242.54 for 16+32, which is about £35 over the odds, but still cheaper than eBay). But if I get one or both I'll be a very happy bunny.

There are still a couple of possibles - PLAY and ARGOS still have the TPs at full price. They're bound to drop them soon.

There are also some other sellers with the full price, but they are not stores I'm familiar with.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-23
Crivens (and anyone else) if you try Staples, use the discount code "301479" to get £15 off (apparently). I only just found out about this, so didn't use it for my buy. Never mind.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
Nice. Ta! :) You still can't use the site at all!

Man I was so close yesterday with CC in hand. Stupid Currys SQL errors...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
An age later on Staples I got right to the end (the promotion does work BTW) and then I get a "For technical reasons this page does not work" page. Noooo!!!!!! :noggin: Not the best when doing proper work in foreground...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-23
Staples may be limiting TPs to one per customer, according to someone on PreCentral, to ensure that more people get one and reduce the risk of reselling.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
You can't even access their site now...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
Arse. Looks like John Lewis flipped their prices and now are out of stock... Sigh. I think it's about time I gave up :giveup: and put my money away for when the iPad3 (Retina) comes out...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: bigsofty on 2011-Aug-23
Me too, still trying though... what a carry on!  :S
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
...And now it looks like Staples doesn't even list it any more. On the plus side you can get a touchstone from them for a really good price.

...Sigh....

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
Now the question is do you buy from Play and hope (like hell) that they honour a price fall (assuming they do one)?...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: bigsofty on 2011-Aug-23
Ooh I don't know, it may be worth the risk, I know in the U.S. HP are offering refunds for customers who bought at full price but I can't find similar info here?
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Moebius on 2011-Aug-23
Down here in Australia, Harvey Norman sold all of the 6000 touchpads in stock in 1 hr 40 mins....
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: bigsofty on 2011-Aug-23
Dabs.com had some, added to box, time I registered it was out of stock!  :rant:
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
Damn, was keeping an eye on them but an emergency at work took my eye off the ball...

And it looks like their site is running like a dog, plus I don't think they are stocking it anymore.

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-23
Rumours are circulating that Staples have actually cancelled ALL orders from today.

I've heard nothing one way or the another. I'm hoping for the best, but fearing the worst.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
Think we should have actually gone to the stores...

As a heads up the Misco site is no longer responding. It was fine about an hour ago with £400+ prices...

Oh and Pixmania hid the stock for a bit and now they are showing temporarily out of stock (until the end of time I would imagine).

Cheers
Title: Coming Soon: TouchPad fire sale Part 2
Post by: Millerszone on 2011-Aug-23
Coming Soon: TouchPad fire sale Part 2:
http://www.precentral.net/coming-soon-touchpad-fire-sale-part-2

Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
Yeah  I saw that. Just thought it would be US only...

Interestingly Pre3 is supposed to be about £49. Annoying since I thought I had a heck of a deal for £130 for a Pre2 a few months ago... grumble...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: bigsofty on 2011-Aug-23
Cool.  ;)

Argos still has them in stock at old price, maybe one to watch.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
Amazon had the 16gb climb to about £410 and now has plummeted to £249. Don't know what's up with that. Pre-firesale slashing?

Also Misco. Online reports said it was getting stock in and the site has been unresponsive for the last couple of hours.

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Aug-23
Check this out : http://www.itproportal.com/2011/08/23/89-hp-touchpad-tablet-stock-sale-update-30-uk-retailers/ (http://www.itproportal.com/2011/08/23/89-hp-touchpad-tablet-stock-sale-update-30-uk-retailers/)

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: okee on 2011-Aug-23
Do you know anyone in the US that can buy it for you ?
I have a link to a site in the US, their stock had about 5000
yesterday and this morning 32gb for 149, dropped today to
790 now 688. I got a friend to order one for me and he seems
to think it went through ok.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: bigsofty on 2011-Aug-23
Ah, nice article there, handy, thank you.  ;)
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Sokurah on 2011-Aug-23
Do you know anyone in the US that can buy it for you ?
I have a link to a site in the US, their stock had about 5000
yesterday and this morning 32gb for 149, dropped today to
790 now 688. I got a friend to order one for me and he seems
to think it went through ok.
You should PM that link to people here on this forum...
...like me. :D
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: okee on 2011-Aug-24
Sokurah not long after i posted the status changed to Call for Availability
https://www.insight.com/search/ppp.web?materialId=FB356UT%23ABA

I got the link from woot.com, have a browse through here for another site zones.com
http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/1fba6b33-b9d2-4ad6-a8d3-372289f9fd05/touchpad-32gb-16gb-in-stock?page=1&sort=oldest
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Aug-29
TouchPad goes Android:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/08/28/cyanogenmod-7-makes-its-way-to-the-hp-touchpad/
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Aug-29
that's plain stupid. WebOS is in any ways superior to Android.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-29
Unfortunately, Android appears to have much more life in it. WebOS's future is looking less than rosy.

Didn't stop me splashing out on an eBay TouchPad though - still got a bargain, just not as good as the Firesale price. Staples never delivered and didn't even have the courtesy to inform me whether or not my order was cancelled or not. They made no contact with me at all. They've lost my custom for good now.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: bigsofty on 2011-Aug-29
It's still a good OS, hopefully HP will do the right thing and open-source it.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: the.weavster on 2011-Aug-29
There's a rumour Samsung are interested in buying webOS: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/29/amsung_thinking_of_webos_acquisition/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/29/amsung_thinking_of_webos_acquisition/)

I'm not sure I believe it, especially now Bada 2 has multitasking and web apps, but it might be true.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: mentalthink on 2011-Aug-29
Can be possible, about this , in this notice speaking about it.  Spanish Lenguaje.

http://www.eleconomista.es/tecnologia-gadgets/noticias/3335891/08/11/Samsung-sopesa-comprar-WebOs-tras-fichar-al-ex-vicepresidente-de-HP.html
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: yoxola on 2011-Aug-30
Samsung should give up BADA to use WebOS instead....
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Aug-30
Samsung should give up BADA to use WebOS instead....
According to some online reports/rumours, that may well be what they are doing - http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/tech-industry/3299894/samsung-to-buy-webos-recruits-hp-exec/

They've confirmed they're not buying into the HP pc business, but did not state they weren't buying into webOS...
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Sokurah on 2011-Aug-30
Latest news is that HP will get them in stock again in "a couple of weeks".

http://h20435.www2.hp.com/t5/The-Next-Bench-Blog/More-TouchPads-on-the-Way/ba-p/68749

No news on what they will cost or any other details, but there will be more.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: erico on 2011-Aug-31
so it was all a marketing move afterall!  :P
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Sep-01
$299 + $39.90 shipping. I'll get one now :(
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Sep-01
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/tablets/3300583/no-new-hp-touchpads-for-uk/?cmpid=HTML-N010911&olo=newsletter

USA: 1 - Rest of the world: 0

:(
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Sep-01
Shocker. Which smiley is for sarcasm BTW?

No surprise considering the amount of money they were brand new. It seems like it's getting standard (ie. a massive scam because a couple of big companies did it a couple of times and we didn't riot) to stuff exchange rates and just make dollars the same number as pounds, even though most of this stuff is made in China... So $500 is £500. Hmm, best make it look better... £449... Queue lots of whining about American local taxes. Yawn...

To be honest I was seriously shocked when the firesale price was £89. I know the US had a hell of a discount but I was expecting more like £200 in the UK. At least. We love to get ripped off here. Possibly a typo by a UK staff member? Or a newbie who just assumed it should be a similar good price. Hopefully those 5 UK developers get good use out of their cheap tablet.... <sarcasm/>

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Sep-01
I agree - I was hoping (but not expecting) for around £100 for the 16GB. I really didn't expect to see such a good price in the UK. In any exchange rate for electrical goods we've always been £1=$1 to the US - always ripped off.

Now we're just ripped off by eBay merchants; although to be fair I can't blame them in the current climate. It's just unfortunate that the real users/wannabe users didn't get in on the act first.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Sep-01
Yeah, it's amusing how that works. Plus if you look on Ebay it is cheaper to get them from America (even with postage) compared to one from the UK. Eh? Maybe we are just greedier too? Not surprised when you consider all electronics are stupid prices.

Quote
to be fair I can't blame them in the current climate
I agree with you. I blame HP. Why don't they sell a single (only one to each) device to each dev? I would even take a 16gb one for £150. There can only be a couple of thousand devs in the world. Plus I would bet you the farm right now that the same thing will happen again with the new batch. Even US devs will massively miss out in comparison to "Johnny come with a rather large van lately". Stupid HP...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Sep-01
Whoo hoo, I love my wife! <3

Just hours after mentioning I would spend £150 on a TP she got me one from a supplier (Insight is name of the company) that deals with her company :)

This kind of makes up for HP making her redundant a few years ago (well for me anyway). Whoop! :)

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Sep-03
Unfortunately no Email reply from my ebay Seller .
i orderd an 32 GB Device  inclusive Dock for around 240 Euro excl USPS.
Since 6 Days no reply ,i cant also reset my Order because he is away or dead or a  xxxxxxxxxx Axxhxxe . :whip:
i give up  :giveup:
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Sep-03
:(

It's bad enough that eBay sellers are charging double, but then ripping off punters as well. Bastards. If you paid via PayPal, then at least you'll be covered.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Sep-05
There's no way to contact eBay about such bastards.

I got one from another dealer and it's already in Munich, so I expect it today.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Sep-05
finally i got a 32 gb on ebay from an german seller .
i pay much  much moore as 129 euro but i cant get one for a real price .
say iam stupid but i like  this  device with  maybe  webos and android .
webos kernel from psychounix can overclocking the device uo to 1,9 GHZ and i like fast devices !!!
if i remember my sxxx android epad for 130 bucks and no updates from android 2.1 so i hope iam on the right way .
A Friend of mine bought an ipad2 today ,so i hope i can build and test  games for the most popular devices  .

(dont ask about the price) :help: :help: :help: but  :happy:
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Sep-06
Mine is at 1.7 using Warthog kernel. Guvnah says it can do 1.9 if I want but I've heard freezing problems at that speed and so far 1.7 is solid and feels pretty fast.

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Sep-06
Did you get your pad in the end Gernot? I'm itching to develop for my new bit of kit :)

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Sep-06
It's in the customs clearance. I have to wait until they send me a note to get it there. And pay the taxes. Oh the joys of ordering from USA :(
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Sep-06
Yeah, I had that with a Sony Reader a few years ago. Sweated a bit when the seller put that it was worth about £80 (on front of package) when at the time was more like £200+, as you then pay tax on that amount. But no-one cared. Good news with the Touchpad is that it truly is worth only $99 when you bought it :) So practically no tax spend on something worth £500+ a few weeks ago.

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Sep-06
I bought a load of Zelda figures for my son for Christmas from the US once. The total cost of the order was about £75 IIRC. I then had to pay taxes of nearly £50 when the package arrived! I near clocked the postman that day. How could they justify that price? I still have no idea. Never had to pay any taxes for toys and games before or since.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Sep-06
Apparently is random as they can't check everything.

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: okee on 2011-Sep-06
Some of the sellers will mark them as a gift, to avoid custom tax
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: MrTAToad on 2011-Sep-06
At least you know that import duties had to be paid :)
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Sep-08
Quote
The tracking number updated a couple hours ago saying the Item is damaged. I called the postal service here in America and they are contacting Germany to find out whats going on. They said it could take 18 days. I assume the box got hurt some how. I shipped it in a USPS Express Mail box, wrapped up and surrounded with big air bubble plastic. I am not sure how it got damaged. I don't know if you can find out anything over there in Germany. Please let me know if you can. Thanks.

bad omen!?
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Sep-08
Eh? Is this your TP? Nooooo! My wife said today that her contact where she got me a TP is supposed to be getting some more stock soon (I had the last one). Do you want me to ask her to get one?

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Sep-08
YES!
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Sep-08
Quote
The tracking number updated a couple hours ago saying the Item is damaged. I called the postal service here in America and they are contacting Germany to find out whats going on. They said it could take 18 days. I assume the box got hurt some how. I shipped it in a USPS Express Mail box, wrapped up and surrounded with big air bubble plastic. I am not sure how it got damaged. I don't know if you can find out anything over there in Germany. Please let me know if you can. Thanks.

bad omen!?
Poor Kitty :(
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Sep-08
Ok, I have asked my wife if any left. When I got one they were a bit more than the firesale price but still not bad. My 16gb was £149 for instance.

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Sep-08
Gernot: Ok I have private messaged you.

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Sep-08
Thanks!
I have the feeling, that someone at the customs clearance saw what device it was and just stole it. I should demand to see the broken item (with serial number).
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Sep-08
Quote
Addressee requests own pick-up - Item being held, addressee being notified, September 08, 2011, 9:49 am, GERMANY

We're always at home. My wife at least is. Until today, where she came to Munich for a shopping tour. I hope I can pick it up tomorrow without damage. Maybe it was just the package.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: erico on 2011-Sep-08
great.

hopefully it won´t develop into a novela and everything is fine, cross fingers (and toes).
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Sep-08
The TP is pretty well packaged, so hopefully there will be no physical damage to the device at all.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Sep-08
Got one !  its really cool  i like it and webos is great , cant understand these Android nerds !

gernot dont forget your pumpgun ;)
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: bigsofty on 2011-Sep-13
This is a nice development, its a direct result of TP sales or so they say...

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/369838/fusion-garage-cuts-price-of-grid10-tablet
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Sep-13
Yeah, who knew people would buy tablets that are more expensive than laptops, IF they were cheaper... Slap them with the obvious stick I say...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Sep-14
for $99, they will get more market share than Apple's iPad for sure. I think that would not be possible, though. (Although X-Box sales were cheaper than the manufacturing costs and MS tried to make money from licensed games.) We'll see.

Yes, the HP touchpad is an awesome device. I like the feels of it and the WebOS just is the right Os for mobile devices. I also like the German keyboard layout much better than the iPad's, but I heard that iOS5 might fix that.


Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Sep-14
Yeah you get the idea that the next generation of iOS and Android will probably leave it looking old unless they really do keep updating it. You never know. For now though that TP/WebOS audience is looking pretty good considering there is practically nothing available compared to iOS. I have already spent more than I ever did on iOS just because there wasn't anything I wanted for free. But I *wanted* it. eg. a file manager. Don't think there is even a rubbish free one, only a paid for one. It's a prime market if you ask me, but (very) possibly a temporary one.

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Sep-14
Glad we have a multi plattform development tool!
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Sep-14
Indeed. Now if you Ampos can re-do what you did with Matchy for in-app purchasing but for WebOS and Android then I will be hailing you as a single God. You can fight it out over who gets the title. :)

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: caffeinekid on 2011-Sep-18
I wish I had managed to be around when the price got knocked down before they all disappeared. I was on holiday that week - for the first time in three years. Typical!
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Sep-18
I was around and didn't manage to get one, despite days of trying!

I bought mine off of eBay at double the sale price, but it was worth it.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: MrTAToad on 2011-Sep-18
Have you noticed that HP products are being advertised a lot more now (PC's, Printers, but not Palm Pres/Tablets)...  Must be desperate to get rid of stock :)
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Sep-18
I'm not sure if it's actually HP advertising seeing as at the end of each ad they are promoting Currys/PCWorld, and only products that are exclusive to them.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: MrTAToad on 2011-Sep-18
There have been printer adverts seperate from PC World too...
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Sep-18
There have always been printer adverts though.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: MrTAToad on 2011-Sep-18
I hadn't see any HP printer adverts before last week or so!
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Sep-18
I hadn't see any HP printer adverts before last week or so!
Really? Canon, Kodak and HP have all been pretty active in pushing their machines for the last year or so - on tv and in print.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: MrTAToad on 2011-Sep-18
Yes, seen the other manufacturers, but not HP...  We must get things later here :)
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-01
I win today at ebay a TP 32gb for 240€. Expensive?  :'(
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-01
No, that's quite reasonable at the moment. Welcome to the TP club! :)
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-01
No, that's quite reasonable at the moment. Welcome to the TP club! :)

Do you mean "you wife is going to kill you, club"?
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Oct-01
Yes. Do like I do and get a touchstone and use Facebook and exhibition mode to show photos of your wedding when it's off. For the iPad3 I'll probably have to say it keeps coffee warm or something :)

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-01
Just say to your wife - "It's an investment. With the TP I can create games and apps that will bring in loads of money. More than it cost in actual fact." And keep a straight face too. That usually helps! :P
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-01
My wedding was analogic :) it was 16 years ago  :nana:

(what is a touchstone?)

Did I said I am professional photographer?

Main web: http://www.retratoscaparros.com/
Photos (and blog): http://caparrosdigital.blogspot.com
Weddings videoclips: http://www.vimeo.com/caparrosdigital/
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-01
Just say to your wife - "It's an investment. With the TP I can create games and apps that will bring in loads of money. More than it cost in actual fact." And keep a straight face too. That usually helps! :P

LOL, yesterday I was countging the money I did in last year with GLB: 156€  :booze:
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-01
I've earned about that this year (since March) with mainly Pre stuff, but I do still have continuing sales of B'lox! on iOS too (two or three copies a week, with absolutely no advertising). I really need to do more iOS stuff - port my Pre stuff across and get the free version of B'lox! out there too, to push that.

A Touchstone is a charging block/stand (there are two types - one for Pre/Pixi and one for TouchPad) that allows you to rest your device on top and charge it, without having to plug in a USB lead to the device. The Touchstone is plugged into a wall socket and that's it. No more wires. They are brilliant. I've got two Pre/Pixi touchstones and one for TouchPad. Unfortunately you can't use either Touchstone for charging up the other webOS machines.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Oct-04
Did I said I am professional photographer?
Photos (and blog): http://caparrosdigital.blogspot.com

Don't you dare show this to my wife :P
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-04
My TP is here!

My wife saw it and... I am (still) alive!  :enc: :enc: :enc:

Any hint on the device?

I have heard somewhere that you overclocked it and some other things... is this correct?
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Oct-04
I did. Google Preware. Is *really* easy and isn't really rooting or jailbraking. Apparently HP even supplied servers to the Preware programmers for free. I can't remember which OC to use, but I didn't use the one that sounds like a plane. Well I did originally, but it looks like crap booting up and it didn't OC the second core. The one I installed works fine for me upto 1.7Ghz. I didn't try 1.9Ghz as apparently is unstable (on every OC software I think). Great so far.

Also Google Preware tips as there are a few to streamline it. Seems the main one is getting rid of automatic logging which slows it down somewhat (and no need to really use logging for errors these days as HP are doing a runner). Also can turn off the ripple effect on a tap. But obviously the main business is the OC software :) Main program to monitor it and change speeds on the fly is called Govnah I think (Preware) but you need another install from Preware to allow OC properly. If you get stuck I will look to see which one I installed (again, not the one that sounds like a plane that seems to be the most recommended).

Other than that, get a touchstone and look at the Exhibition options. Is very good to automatically slideshow FB albums for example when put on charge (keeps the wife happy).

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-04
I will look on google tonite about this.

Where is the random button on exhibition?
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Oct-04
Random button? What do you mean? You can setup Exhibition to use a specific app (FB for example) but I don't know if you can make it random. Note with FB you can you use it with Exhibition to show latest status updates, but there is a way to get it to show album art.

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-04
A random button to show photos in random order, as the help file explain.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Oct-04
Ah. I dunno. I can use FB in Exhibition mode to show selected albums, but I don't know how to set it up to do it randomly.

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Oct-08
Pairing a Bluetooth Keyboard ....

Goto BT settings
type add Device
type  Keyboard
Touchpad is showing you the Device Name and ask the Pairing Code
first type "123 and enter" on the TP
after this type "123 and enter" on the Keyboard
now connecting fine ..

works with my Logitech Cordless Media Board pro . :puke:
be shure the keyboard is in pairing mode (shut KB off,press and hold reset,Shut KB on , release reset)
i'll guess its working also with cheaper KB's .



If you have STYLE use the Mac Bluetooth KB   :-* 

input ,key() and Keywait runs fine.

keywait will not work with Cursorkeys.

mfg

Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-08
Funny enough I was just about to add keyboard control to my a TP game and I have a Mac BT keyboard (two in fact - large full size and the smaller recent one).
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Oct-08
use the small one ! :-*

i've updated my post above !
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-08
Cheers :)

I had planned to use the small one - I bought the large one for my wife (she hates small keyboards, including laptops - she's a director's secretary, so uses a keyboard at work all the time) and she's never used it OR the Mac, so the keyboard is now in another room, gathering dust.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Oct-08
cool but will it Blend ? äh i mean is it working ;)
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Oct-08
ace news. I'll try to implement iCade/iControlPad support for WebOS then, too.
Yes, and android.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-11
Hi Gernot

I've just paired up my wireless Bluetooth Mac keyboard with the TouchPad and while many keys are the same keycode as for pc, some are very different - eg cursor keys (UP cursor is 197) and I can't get values for the other cursor keys.

Here's the code I used -

Code: GLBasic [Select]
LOCAL a, n

WHILE TRUE

PRINT "PRESS A KEY.",100,50

FOR n=0 TO 255
 IF KEY(n) THEN a=n
NEXT

PRINT a,100,100

SHOWSCREEN

WEND
 

Is there anything I can do to get these values?
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Oct-12
Very strange.
I did nothing fancy for webos, so I think it's a mission feature. Can you use the cursor keys in a text box of the webbrowser?

Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-12
Hi Gernot - yes, the cursor keys work fine in a browser text box.

It would be interesting to see if other BT keyboards have differing values for the cursor keys - I've attached the .IPK file.

As stated above, my Mac BT keyboard produces 197 for UP and no values for any other cursor keys.

[attachment deleted by admin]
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Oct-16
installed cyanogen mod and gapps
 :offtopic:
finally android with market is running on my touchpad .
dualboot working fine , market run , ok its alpha but runs cool!

 some trouble with wifi  - no reconnect after sleep (change the channel on yout router  will help )
 bluetooth isnt working with my devices  maybe my fault

after all most software runs fine  even the koi theme !


fishys on my desk  iam amused
 
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-17
I am considering it, but waiting for now.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-17
I am considering it, but waiting for now.

I am installing it using this guide, and it is really easy...

It deserves a try...

http://www.howtogeek.com/76960/how-to-install-android-on-your-hp-touchpad/
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-17
I'm not waiting because I'm worried about doing it - I'm waiting for a less buggy, non-beta version.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-17
I just played a bit with it and... it was amazing.

I have not seen anything real "alpha". The only thing that crash was the 3D VIEW of photos. I even installed GLOWING SKY FREE from the Market and it works great.

had no problem with the wifi, it worked as expected.

If someone wants to install it, a few things:

-Remove the WebOS kernel patch that overclocks the device or ClockworkMod will not install. You can install the webos path later after the Android install.

-Place the google install package with all the other packages in cminstall, so it will be installed in the first install batch.

-The install process takes a lot of time. 2 times I thought it was frozen; just let it continue. Once installed, the Android boot is faster than webos boot.

I try a compile from GLBasic to AndroTouch, but failed. It was late and didnt want to test further.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-17
Ummm...
WIFI - slow/unstable
Having to hard-reset when idle.

There are others, but they don't bother me. These are two pretty big things for me, as I do let my TP go idle between testing - having to hard reset every two minutes would really annoy.

As for Android, there's nothing on there that I really want that I can't do with my Touchpad & laptop anyway at the moment, so why rush into it?


Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-17
I did only a few tests, but wifi worked fine for me.

About the reset, it entered in idle status a few times tonite and had not to reset it.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-17
Like I said, I'll wait a bit. Shouldn't be too long, they've got so much working in such a quick time.

To me Android really isn't important. It never has been. It's too fractured to be a valuable asset, with too many variations - I much prefer stable and standard formats. Android tablet apps don't even fit on the TP screen.

If you enjoy it, then great, but I can wait.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Oct-19
I bought a HP Veer. A Touchstone  is also in the Pakage. :-*
for 59 euro....
 :happy:

 
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-19
Today they release ALPHA 2

http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?4011-RELEASE-ALPHA-Discussion-CyanogenMod-team-Touchpad-port
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-19
Quote
I bought a HP Veer. A Touchstone  is also in the Pakage. :-*
for 59 euro....
BARGAIN!!!

Quote
Today they release ALPHA 2
I'll wait until the 3.0.4 update bugs are sorted and until ICS arrives. Then I think it'll be time to Android my TP. :)
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-20
What 3.0.4 bugs? I updated yesterday...

What is ICS?

JUST COMPILED MY FIRST PROG FROM GLBASIC TO ANDROTOUCH!!  :enc:
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-20
There are loads of reported issues with the new update. I've not seen any problems myself (yet), but I've only used my TP for a few minutes since the update and haven't actually tested anything other than one of my current projects.

ICS=Ice Cream Sandwich - it's the next Android OS update.

Is it the same as compiling for normal Android devices?
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-20
Yes, same as other androids. It's an Android!
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-20
just wondered if it threw up any problems.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Ian Price on 2011-Oct-20
http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/10/rumor-hp-to-layoff-webos-engineers-by-months-end-exclusive/

This is the end, my friend :(
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2011-Oct-20
NOOOOOO. NOO-HOOOOOO. Its a lie!  :rant: Rumors!
Conspiracy! Not true. Definitely.

Samsung, no, Amazon, no, Pepsi Co, no, the NASA YES - THE NASA WILL BUY WEBOS!
And everything is going to be alright.
again.
 :help:

 
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-20
On PreCentral there was a thread comparing Palm/WebOS with Amiga/AmigaOS... so true...  >:D
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Oct-20
Bugger. 3.04 ditched my oc and preware settings :( Hopefully update soon as standard ghz is a little slow once used to oc and I hate ripple...

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-21
The OC kernel is out, although not the no-ripple.

Another thing I found interesting is "advanced power off menu" or something similar.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Oct-22
Yeah I used über kernel instead of warthog and got it upto 1.5ghz but couldn't get 1.7 like before. Hopefully new warthog soon.

I used that menu from before the update. It's pretty good infact there are a few good additions

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Marmor on 2011-Oct-22
Set the logging to minimal !!

Lithium Benchmark HD give me a 96 after updating and set cpu to 1,5 GHZ


Ampos can you show me the way how to put my own glb app into HP TP with CM7
Whats the driver and what should i do  , because iam a Android NOOB .

Also how to become a warthog kernel for webos ?
 

thx
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Oct-22
Had the logging off before but don't know if updated yet. Lithium is giving me 110 off power.

Warthog isn't updated yet it seems. Once it is it should appear. It gave me 1.9 as an option then but apparently was unstable do I used 1.7 and it was great

Cheers
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-22

Ampos can you show me the way how to put my own glb app into HP TP with CM7
Whats the driver and what should i do  , because iam a Android NOOB .

Also how to become a warthog kernel for webos ?
 

thx

http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?8070-HOW-TO-Fixing-USB-problems-with-ADB

^ for the driver, later, just compile following the "compiling for Android" in GLB Help file.
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: ampos on 2011-Oct-23
Remove tap ripple is there!
Title: Re: HP To Shut Down WebOS Operations
Post by: Crivens on 2011-Oct-23
Lithium is now giving me a 91 score with WiFi on and no charging. That is with 1.5 uberkernel and 3.04. Hopefully when 1.7/1.9 warthog is out will be even better 

Interestingly even with charging in touchstone and WiFi off I should get a lower score but I actually get 92

One thing though I thought all my patches would be overwritten which most seemed to be (ripple just got took away again), but I think the logging which I turned off has stayed off. There hasn't been an update yet but it still giving me that very fast score 

Also Preware seems to give me a load of error messages at startup now but seems ok overall...

Cheers