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Title: HDD crash.
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2012-May-18
My MFT is corrupt. Backup is from september 2011. And I have no idea if it will extract.
Right now I try to recover with photorec on a live cd but it seems all filemames are lost. And directory structure.
All compilers might be broken. I'm close to tears.


Edit:
I was asked to add this info on recovering deleted files.
https://www.minitool.com/data-recovery/retrieve-deleted-files-on-pc.html
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Ian Price on 2012-May-18
Feck :(
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-18
Thats a shame - hope you can get it all recovered!  Might need to call in the services of a specialist data recovery company...
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: fuzzy70 on 2012-May-18
 :(

Not nice when that happens, I am surprised though that your existing backup was so old & on the same hard drive seeing as it is a commercial product. I made the same error quite a few years back & cost me a lot, only good thing that came out of it for me was my change of "It won't happen to me" attitude to "This regular backup regime is not bad really" attitude.

I would be tempted to try R-Studio http://www.data-recovery-software.net/ (http://www.data-recovery-software.net/). There is a free download available which will only recover files upto 64kb but at least it will give you an idea of what could be recovered with the full version.

I have used it in the past & had very good results from it.

Lee
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: spacefractal on 2012-May-18
Damn. Hope it's not end glbasic, hope you can recover it.

I have used r-studio In the past with good result, same with http://www.file-recovery.net/

Both commercial but nice prices.

For both chases, don't try cover to same hard drive.....
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-18
If data can't be recovered, might take the opportunity to re-write everything...
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: metzzo on 2012-May-18
... or use GLBScript as standard compiler and extend it for the "old" targets :P


Hope you will recover your data :(. Maybe you will use in future SVN/Git so your data is safe and secure on a server?
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: erico on 2012-May-18
 :O

oh no. :(
let us know if there is anything we can do to help this out.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: DaCarSoft on 2012-May-18
You could try with some Acronis tools.

I used a recovery bootable CD of Acronis True Image (last possible version) for this kind of fails on servers.

First with Acronis True Image (Home version also works) I did a back up of only the needed files... sometimes only works for only one file or folder each time you click to copy an element... sometimes work for the full hard drive. It depends of the corrupton level of the hard disk.
After the backup, you have to extract the files from it again.

Other times, only worked to use a MS-DOS terminal with a Windows Live CD and write:
chkdsk DISK: /r

You can try also with a Knoppix live CD (Debian LINUX)

Also some of this tools could work:
http://www.pcinspector.de


I hope you have good luck. Sincerely.




Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Slydog on 2012-May-18
I hope you can recover enough of the essential data.    :noggin:

I've read the other comments, and the only thing I can suggest for the future is use 'Dropbox'.
That's all we use to make sure our data is backed up.
I love the way it works behind the scenes and acts like a regular folder.  Simple.

Well . . . good luck with the data recovery.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: spicypixel on 2012-May-18
http://www.piriform.com/recuva
http://free-backup.info/data-recovery-software.htm

Hope they help :(
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Hark0 on 2012-May-18
WTF!?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Omadan on 2012-May-18
Sorry to hear about that mate :(

Will GLBasic still continue?
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: bigsofty on 2012-May-18
Terribly sorry to hear that Gernot, I take it you have no drive backups or you would say.
i have recovered drives in the past by swapping the drive board with another from the same model but I dont think this would work here. Your best bet is a low level data recovery util.

:(
Title: HDD crash.
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2012-May-18
My backup is from feb2011.
But newer backups were on the broken hdd.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: hardyx on 2012-May-18
Oh my God. I hope you can recover the important data and the GLBasic project. Do you have S.M.A.R.T. activated? They say SMART warns you before this happens. I hope you have your code in private SVN, or Dropbox or elsewhere, please, please. Use another hard disk to copy and repair the data, don't touch the original disk.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: spacefractal on 2012-May-18
You not have tried one of the named commercial software and scanning thought hd?

Sad backups might been gone as well, so I guess glbasic support and trust might end due this?

If the HDD is not physical broken, then you should try and get one of the commercial product, which all is worth money (also I both used Active@ File Recovery and R-Studio with nice succes). Also recently Windows could even recover the MTF crashed harddrive with a regular CHDDSK from a another machine (here its was none important drive, but did contain a lots of music on it, all recovered nice).

And DONT recover on the original disk, undless if can been done with regular CHDDSK.

Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-18
At least that is something!
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: hardyx on 2012-May-18
My friends said GetDataback software is a good choice for recover the data. It's commercial but is good.
http://www.runtime.org/data-recovery-software.htm
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Wampus on 2012-May-18
Ah that sucks. Sorry to hear that.  :(

I suppose doing searches for recognisable text in the files that currently have unrecognizable names and directories might help a bit. Even still, its a lot of work, waiting and sorting for recovery that would probably only be partial. What a pain.

Quote from: Slydog on 2012-May-18
I've read the other comments, and the only thing I can suggest for the future is use 'Dropbox'.
That's all we use to make sure our data is backed up.
I love the way it works behind the scenes and acts like a regular folder.  Simple.

I use Dropbox for shared work. Its become kind of essential. I also use SpiderOak for things I don't want to share like my own code base. SpiderOak is cheaper, has very robust security and greater flexibility but its harder to set up, more complicated to use and isn't nearly as well known as Dropbox. That last point is why I also use DropBox for shared work and will always do so. Everyone has Dropbox.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-May-18
Joder!!! que put....!!!

I rebember some year ago, I use a soft for recover the files, after formating the disk and a lot of thing apperas but don´t have name... very difficult to recue... I think it the hard drive don´t works you can try to make 2 things....

1rst the most secure, how told toy MrTatoad, send the had drive to a company to extract the data...

2nd. Get another disk equal, and change the disc... basically the problems in hard drive it´s the electronic... the disc normally don´t have problems... it´s a little problematic, the hard drive have a different tools for open it...

I hope you can solve the trouble, and if we can do something... off course, I´m glad to help you.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Kosta on 2012-May-18
Gernot, has you tried to repair MFT with chkdsk?
NTFS creates a mirror/backup of the MFT. chkdsk tries to synchronize the mirror.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: spacefractal on 2012-May-18
Yes its mightbeen why I could repair the MFT broken (or something) last time its happens on that machine, but did not contain any sourcecode (but other kind of files). Here no external software was required and CHKDSK did a good job repair that (which I got very surpriced its did). Its property did used the MFT backup, which was still in good shape.

the picture recovertool you used is normally allways on the main dir when you take photos with your camera and it was designed with that in mind. Limited, but works for photos recovery thing, but not on files. That why you dosen't get any filename or dir folders recovered. So you should get a better commercial software, which all worth each thier cents.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-18
And dont stick it in the freezer either!
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: spacefractal on 2012-May-18
MTF corruption is a software failure, not hardware. That I saw in the first post, those good commercial recovery software should find all/most files and copy to a new drive as the best option. Property found from the backup MTF table and/or scanning all throught the harddrive (which take hours).

I have done that for some friends when that kind of issue have happens. So those software IS very good and its more than those software I used.

If harddrive is broken mechanical, then its much worse..... A proffesional service is required.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Sokurah on 2012-May-18
Shit, that's not good. :(

I could tell you all about the importance of backing up regularly, but I've lost stuff so many times to harddrive crashes etc. and I haven't learned to do it myself - it's a bother and you just hope that "it won't happen to you" and fell good about that 6 month old backup. Yup, I've been there...and still is.  ::)

In the future, though - whenever you make a backup: don't put it on the same physical drive...but you already know that. ;)

...but first you need something to backup, and I hope you're able to recover everything - or at least the most important bits. I hope this doesn't set you back too much.  :'(
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Wampus on 2012-May-18
Sokurah get organised for continuous automatic back up to the cloud today! Don't do anything else until its working. It will change potentially crushing disasters to temporary inconveniences. Its also simpler to deal with than physical drive back ups in some ways, though you should do that too.

Kitty, what's the worst, best and most likely case scenario here?  :doubt:
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-19
QuoteMTF corruption is a software failure, not hardware
Thats why you dont stick it in a freezer!  Even if it was a hardware problem, you still wouldn't stick it in a freezer either :)
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: mentalthink on 2012-May-19
@Gernnot, I think i go to say a very stupid thing, but I preffer comment than sut up my mouth!!! , I think about the beta testing version, some people of the forum have this version... if resend to you this version, you can open and extract  "things" of these version, I think have to be any of the last... it´s this possible?¿, or I say a huge stupid idea?¿... sorry if this it´s this...

Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Wampus on 2012-May-19
Quote from: MrTAToad on 2012-May-19
Thats why you dont stick it in a freezer!  Even if it was a hardware problem, you still wouldn't stick it in a freezer either :)

Apparently you wouldn't download a car either. However, some have tried it (and report success).
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Sokurah on 2012-May-19
Quote from: MrTAToad on 2012-May-19
QuoteMTF corruption is a software failure, not hardware

Quote from: Wampus on 2012-May-19
Quote from: MrTAToad on 2012-May-19
Thats why you dont stick it in a freezer!  Even if it was a hardware problem, you still wouldn't stick it in a freezer either :)

Apparently you wouldn't download a car either. However, some have tried it (and report success).

Downloaded a car successfully?  :whistle:  =D

Seriously though, the harddrive in a freezer trick has worked for me before. I'm not saying it will for everyone, but one time it helped me immeasurably.

But in this case it seems Gernot's problem is software and not hardware related.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: erico on 2012-May-19
Gernot,
hope you have a good nite of sleep to take a bit of the stress away, a rested mind works better.
I´m really sorry for what happened and wish I could help things out somehow.
be well. <3
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: bigsofty on 2012-May-19
I would use DriveImage to create a dupe of the disk before any writing is done back onto the disk to attempt a recovery.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: belial on 2012-May-19
Thats a realy sad news friend!
Title: HDD crash.
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2012-May-19
The recovery software can find some files. Lots. But not the 10 files I really need so far. Takes ages, but it might work. Worst case would be a loss of 3 months work.
Title: HDD crash.
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2012-May-19
And yes, I'll backup every weekend now. Even to my ftp server.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: spicypixel on 2012-May-19
This has a nice 5Gb cloud storage for free ;)
https://www.cubby.com/
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: spacefractal on 2012-May-19
dropbox and such is all you need. But nice to hear you got most your files back, so its "only" 3 month and not 15 month. still sad, howover. I hope you find the last 10 files, even one of the backups on that harddrive.


Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Schranz0r on 2012-May-19
Gernot, if you need help...  :blink:
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: erico on 2012-May-19
Quote from: Kitty Hello on 2012-May-19
... Worst case would be a loss of 3 months work.

The ´panorama´ looks better then I thought, ufa!

I once got into a fight with people for demanding 2 backups in one movie project.
Few months later the current work disks + the first backup went dead... the 2nd one saved the day.

Even so, I guess to this day I tend to forget it, like Sokurah said.
Had all my stuff in a single HDD till yesterday, when this whole stuff got me alarmed.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Hark0 on 2012-May-20
Quote from: Kitty Hello on 2012-May-19
The recovery software can find some files. Lots. But not the 10 files I really need so far. Takes ages, but it might work. Worst case would be a loss of 3 months work.

Good luck Gernot... and patience...  ;)
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: TI-994A on 2012-May-20
Quote from: Kitty Hello on 2012-May-19
The recovery software can find some files. Lots. But not the 10 files I really need so far. Takes ages, but it might work. Worst case would be a loss of 3 months work.

Hi Gernot! Hope you'll manage to get them all back. When it comes to crucial data, we can never be too paranoid. Personally, I maintain redundancies on external drives, DVDs, and now even on cloud storage. Before DropBox, I used to e-mail the latest zipped source and resource files to myself at the end of every work day. It's not the commercial value, but my precious time and effort.

Good Luck! And please keep us posted.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Leginus on 2012-May-21
I feel your pain!
I learnt a very harsh lesson about that a few years ago, then forgot the lesson and learnt it again about a year ago.

Hope it gets sorted, there is nothing worse.



Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: D2O on 2012-May-22
Moin, ich schreib mal auf Deutsch :)

Testdisk schonmal ausprobiert?
http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk (http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk)
Ansonsten habe ich bei mir Acronis Disk Director 11 auf der Platte, damit lassen sich auch Partitionen wieder herstellen.
Vorher vieleicht ein "Sektor by Sektor" backup der Hdd anlegen.

Ein versuch wäre es wert.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: spacefractal on 2012-May-22
How goes for getting files back as well your other projects.

I still waiting for beta 11 access, but I no problems due waiting due this (yes I have pm).

you could do release it as its are while you get so much back as possible eventuelly.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Leginus on 2012-May-22
Norton Ghost 14.
Cant beat it for backing up.  Can do a total Clone of your pc if needed, so if your HDD crashes you can buy a new one and it just replicates the data to the new HDD, operating system as well.

You can also open a back up and pull out individual files if needed.
Won't help you with the restore, but its a great back up tool.


Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2012-May-22
I tried R-Studio with tiny success. I had the impression that the details of my files got worse by each scan. I think the hardware is totally bonked.
Well - I'm back with an backup from Feb 2012 now. I had no time to look into GLBasic and can't see any way to do so before next weekend. And then I have a full week of vaccation where I won't touch a PC, too. Sorry :)

But I think I can get the changes since back easily.

Would be cool if someone who's bored finds all my messages since Feb 2012 and writes the "I fixed ..." lines together into one post for quicker fixing them again.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Slydog on 2012-May-22
At least it's not all bad news.

You could open a new forum topic where people ONLY post the known 'fixes' you have done.
We could discuss those changes on this topic if people have questions or doubts.
This will keep the above new topic clean and easier for you to peruse.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Sokurah on 2012-May-22
That's a very good and helpful idea, Slydog.  :good:
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: spacefractal on 2012-May-22
Of just chance the subject such as {was fixed}, or a sticky post that link to all I fixed once....

But all ideas can been helpfull.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: BdR on 2012-May-22
Oh no, this is really bad news :O

Seriously, make backups! :rant: It wouldn't be the first time a great software project goes under due to a silly harddisk crash..
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-23
I've included all your posts up to the 6th Feb or so...  So hope that helps!

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Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: FutureCow on 2012-May-23
 :good: Great work MrTAToad!!!!
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-23
Thanks!
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: spacefractal on 2012-May-23
Could you do the same, but only from the bug section seperated? then would been much easier to find and clean them up (I guess those is most important first)? The doc have tons of irrerevent posts that is nothing about fixed bugs. Actuelly its only quite few and not so many again.....

Im more concern about the GUI (and other projects), but if I remember that its was by a friend of you that did that, so you should get it in very recently version.

Another thing its was feature request, but they can been second hand thing after that (include Android inline support).
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: spacefractal on 2012-May-23
by now I just spotted those (admins: just edit this post). There is of course more bugs, but nothing Kitty wrote fixed or such (those was those I remembed most).

Android: Glbasic not updating surface when auto rotated.
http://www.glbasic.com/forum/index.php?topic=7915.msg68110#msg68110

Topic: Android debug certificate has expired
http://www.glbasic.com/forum/index.php?topic=8023.msg67236#msg67236

USEASBMP in combination with SETORIENTATION... bug?
http://www.glbasic.com/forum/index.php?topic=7668.msg65025#msg65025

UDID:
http://www.glbasic.com/forum/index.php?topic=7913.0

iOS (iPad) Screen BUGs (round corners, windowed, buffer video????) - its got fixed, but still not implemented:
http://www.glbasic.com/forum/index.php?topic=7867.0

Android PLATFORMINFO$("LOCALE") returns "un".. bug?
http://www.glbasic.com/forum/index.php?topic=7768.0

How to deal with large files?
http://www.glbasic.com/forum/index.php?topic=7809.0

I see I finding more tommorrow or the fellow days.... (fell free to edit this post).
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-23
I can do :)

Unfortunately there are no links with these - I copied them directly to Wordpad this time, rather than via OpenOffice :)

Most of it can be ignore, but I had to include it all as it isn't in date order.  Couldn't use the search facility next to "Help" as it requires some text to search for, and signatures are ignored :)

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Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: spacefractal on 2012-May-23
nice list. yes links was removed, but its still a pretty nice list to checking around fast for searching. Sure its easy to checking what is important and not important. I mind I got them all in my list from that pretty nice doc. I only add those that got fixed or added, and just that, but nothing which got fixed by user itself or nothing requried.

But If I do find more I add to the post, not a adding post to avoid clutter.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2012-May-23
many thanks!!
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-May-23
Hopefully and and all bugs can be re-fixed :)
Title: HDD crash.
Post by: Kitty Hello on 2012-May-26
OK. I got most of the old stuff reimplemented. It compiles, release :D. Seriously, it will take some time to test it all now.
Dacarsoft has fixed the iCade issues and the orientation of the taskbar!

My changes at GACK are all gone. That was a lot :(

I keep you updated.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: erico on 2012-May-26
Good to hear.

Sorry for GACK :(

It is horrible to lose stuff that way, I once lost a jazz disk drive (anyone remembers that?) full of personal animations...I miss it to these days.

On another hand, I´m not sure this is a bug but I seem not to be able to get button 0(A) on the caanoo as of the latest update on GLB.
It worked before, but now when I run a test program it returns no value as if it dosen´t exist.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: spacefractal on 2012-May-26
I'm are not sure you changed that way assests load in the Android, but you can eventuelly use that changes I did. Here they load in a thread. Its could still been better (etc first file should load splash.png example), but the app does not crash under copying:

http://www.glbasic.com/forum/index.php?topic=7949.msg67252#msg67252

Also I hope the surface could refixed, but bad to hear about GACK.
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: theprotocol on 2012-Jun-14
Oh no. I'm not much of a forum-goer so I missed this. This sucks. :(
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Hatonastick on 2012-Jun-29
Wow...  Sorry to hear that mate.  I've been getting paranoid about backups myself and so bought a 1tb external HD so now I have my work on my desktop PC, Netbook, memory stick and external HD -- I used to backup to DVD as well, but decided that was going a little bit overboard.  I suspect we all have to go through something bad like this before learning how vital backups are.  I had something similar happen to me roughly 10 years ago where I lost almost 2 years worth of C code.  I've been paranoid about backups ever since.

Anyway, I'm really, really sorry to hear this.  I hope it wont dishearten you too much, and I'm pretty sure all the folks on here will be cheering you on as you fight back.

Erico:  I remember those.  I've got a Iomega USB ZIP 250 (I think it was) in a box somewhere with a few "disks".  They were cool little devices -- mind you the originals weren't that "little". :)
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: mrplant on 2012-Jul-18
Really sad to hear this.

Its  a bit late now I think but I thought I would add that noone has so far mentioned the great hard drive recovery utility from Steve Gibson over at grc.com - SPINRITE!.
Its not free but saved me many a drive over the years...

It's a preventative program as well - but comes into its own when hardware failure is close - there isn't a low level program like it on the market..

For backups, I used carbonite back up for a few weeks - until I realised it wasn't developer friendly at all - didn't support file extensions for backup unless they were in a special list and it ignores .exe and .zip files - totally developer unfriendly  - so I left them.

Nowadays, I use dropbox to send copies to another location (my brother in laws house). We share files needing backed up that way - works great.

That an onsite image backup as well..

Anyway, hope you get most of your data back - been there myself - horrible...
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: erico on 2012-Jul-18
heck, spending a week down my parents place, I was using their pc to do work and didn´t notice it assigned a temporary user.
So, after a crash, it came back and deleted all my days work, how marvelous! :rant:

I used recuva to try and get the jpg images back, but most of them don´t quite open, just 3 out of 40.
crap... :(
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: Schranz0r on 2012-Jul-18
Unlucky as my Giana Sisters Remake...
Sad moments in a coders life :(
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: MrTAToad on 2012-Jul-19
You lost the code for it ?

I did for the Amiga version of my Walker and car game too...  Not to mention C64 code lost...

Fortunately my Archimedes code was made PD as is available to download easily...
Title: Re: HDD crash.
Post by: erico on 2012-Jul-19
Hey I just got back my work lost yeaterday!

by redoing...sucks, treating images of shoes is of course no fun at all redoing.
It ended up even the 3 were no even the right ones.

Now I lost a couple days work, and won´t get payed for that.
I have to hate whatever system puts you over the root, ridiculous, how could it delete it without asking me first?

It must be the reason I don´t own an android yet.

My way of going I must know where exactly my files are on the drives and when and how.
This mainly happened by using the desktop on windows, never to do it again.

My home base comp I don´t even use the desktop but for shortcuts to proper locations.

I almost broke things yesterday by rage, I better stop doing shoes images before it gets worse :-[